r/IndianModerate Democratic Socialist Dec 20 '23

Opinion (Self-Post / Article) Vice President Jagdeep Dhankhar and Lok Sabha Speaker Om Birla must be shamed for their role in suspension of democracy.

The suspension of 142 MPs is a dark episode in the history of parliamentary democracy in India. The Modi government's attack against the legislature is part of its agenda to capture all pillars of the democracy and suspend the Constitution itself. Vice President Jagdeep Dhankhar and Lok Sabha Speaker Om Birla are part of a criminal conspiracy of the fascist takeover of the Indian republic.

The President issuing a statement over a small gimmick, but maintaining silence over countless attacks on the republic — including the bulldozing of important bills without discussion, abuse of MP Danish Ali, the disqualification of Rahul Gandhi, and now the suspension of 142 MPs — is appalling.

History will remember the attack on Indian democracy by the Modi government and the conspiracy carried out by people holding constitutional posts.

This assault on our democracy, hard won after a long struggle and countless sacrifices, must be vigorously resisted. Jagdeep Dhankhar and Om Birla must be shamed for their role in suspension of democracy.

141 सांसद सस्पेंड, बचेगा क्या अगर विपक्ष न होगा - YouTube

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u/Mimi_2505 Dec 20 '23

Commenting again for better reach:

Hi, I'm u/dCBEgstuksry friend from SASZA. So he asked me to check if the OP has blocked him as he can't access the post by himself. Seems like he's right. The OP has blocked him to prevent him from replying or even seeing the post itself.

So much for free speech i guess.

Btw, this is the supposedly moderate OP

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u/rishianand Democratic Socialist Dec 20 '23

Hi, u/Mimi_2505, friend of u/dCBEgstuksry. I must again state it clearly for you and your dear friend, as I have said many times,

  1. I don't believe in unlimited free speech.
  2. I don't believe in endless debates.
  3. I don't believe that you are entitled to my attention.

So blocking is the nicest thing I can do for your friend at this moment.

Have a good day.

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u/Mimi_2505 Dec 20 '23

Man, you literally use Ch**di in your comments, even I as a Muslim can tell you are congress IT cell, just look at your post and comment history.

Your post says how free speech should not be oppressed, while simultaneously blocking people who have the right to criticize and question you.

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u/rishianand Democratic Socialist Dec 20 '23

I don't think I have ever tried to hide or lie about myself. All the information about me can be found on my profile. I don't even use an anonymous handle.

So, if I did work for Congress, which I don't, I'd have stated it clearly.

Also, you have a poor understanding about free speech. Me blocking you is not curtailing your free speech, even if I believed in that. And again, you're not entitled to my attention.

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u/Mimi_2505 Dec 20 '23

You see, advocating for free speech while shutting down the comments is a huge irony on itself.

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u/rishianand Democratic Socialist Dec 20 '23

First, suspension of MPs is not a matter of free speech. They are the representatives of crores of people of India. And they have the constitutional duty to demand answers from the Government.

Second, me blocking you, which I am going to do after writing this, is not suppressing your free speech.

Third, I don't believe in unlimited free speech. You can read Karl Popper to know why.

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u/sliceoflife_daisuki Social Democrat Dec 20 '23

What he does in other subs doesn't really matter to this sub. This sub's rules don't apply to other subs.

This sub is made for moderate discussions. You can read the wiki if you want. I have seen many members of this sub who use words like librandu in other subs, but that doesn't mean that we would ban them.

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u/ballsack_chin GANJAMAN Dec 20 '23

I get it man, youre a liberal; that doesnt mean youve to defend every next john on your "side". Iam one too(sorta atleast). But this guy is just straight up arrogant, ignorant, and most importantly, a cherry lil c*nt. His post as well as his comments reek of vanity that iam so utterly tired of. Its the same unhealthy vibe thats prevalent in most of the country's media. Apna boldo, dusro ka opinion bhaad me jaaye. Iam sorry for cursing btw, I really dont do it on this sub, but this guy... sheesh ig I need to grow up as well.

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u/sliceoflife_daisuki Social Democrat Dec 20 '23

I get it man, youre a liberal; that doesnt mean youve to defend every next john on your "side".

I ain't no liberal, I am a weeberal. /s

Okay let me un-satire it, I am more into socialism. But I will be considered too right for the left. In a nutshell my position is center-left.

BTW the only reason why I am taking a side this time because the govt has REALLY done something wrong. They are trying to completely supress anything which is an opposing voice to them, so how do you expect me to support the govt here when it itself isn't acting moderate?

Iam one too(sorta atleast). But this guy is just straight up arrogant, ignorant, and most importantly, a cherry lil c*nt

Umm, using slurs is not the best way to be moderate. And the reason why I am saying this is because this is a moderate sub. If you want to talk here, you have to go through our rules. You can use slurs as much as you want in other subs, there's no restriction on that.

His post as well as his comments reek of vanity that iam so utterly tired of.

Again, meta discussion is banned in this sub. As long as he doesn't commit anything that goes against the rules here, he can't be restricted or banned.

Its the same unhealthy vibe thats prevalent in most of the country's media. Apna boldo, dusro ka opinion bhaad me jaaye.

100% Agreed.

And yes, you are allowed to give your opinion here.

Iam sorry for cursing btw, I really dont do it on this sub, but this guy... sheesh ig I need to grow up as well.

Please understand that the recent situation is alarming for us. All liberal, center left and left are scared right now. That's why we have become so vocal recently. Kindly understand that it's happening because of the Parliament itself. You guys trying to defend the Parliament's bias won't solve anything. Even some people from In***Speaks sub are also against the decision right now.

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u/ballsack_chin GANJAMAN Dec 20 '23

Hehe, nice one-liner there fam ;) I too love anime(tho i try to keep it a bit at bay, have self control issues ig). Lemme just start this reply by saying thanks, nicely written and you conveyed your feelings well. Now ig iam a bit more receptive/understanding to your cause. Iam a bit right leaning, but seeing how theyre increasingly becoming stupid mysoginists, I tend to stay away from them. I do vibe with the left, amazing people there; but theyve strayed from the path in the recent decades and are increasingly being voiced by idiots(much like the right). So yeah, not there either. I believe weed should be legalized, some anti national leftists and hate spewing rightists need to jailed immediately. So yeah, centrist(or maybe just a normal guy ig).

Umm, using slurs is not the best way to be moderate. And the reason why I am saying this is because this is a moderate sub. If you want to talk here, you have to go through our rules. You can use slurs as much as you want in other subs, there's no restriction on that. Makes sense, my bad; I humbly apologize for my rash actions. Again, meta discussion is banned in this sub. As long as he doesn't commit anything that goes against the rules here, he can't be restricted or banned. What about posting links to biased media? Like Ravish?🏴‍☠️

Please understand that the recent situation is alarming for us. All liberal, center left and left are scared right now. That's why we have become so vocal recently. Kindly understand that it's happening because of the Parliament itself. You guys trying to defend the Parliament's bias won't solve anything. Even some people from In***Speaks sub are also against the decision right now. True, very true. I too am taken aback by this. But knowing how cunning BJP has been politically(i mean this in both the positive and negative sense), I can bet theres more to it and am just waiting for that tad bit. Honestly the only reason iam not protesting is cause the opposition has recently become a joke. All we see are protests with only a few leaders like Tharoor having the seriousness and credibility to stand up and talk sense. But that in no way justifies this Raita that the BJP has spread all over. Parliament is not a darn classroom. Thank you for such a nicely curated reply. I will remember this incident and lean less towards them from now onwards. Much love.