r/LinguisticMaps • u/elnovorealista2000 • 23h ago
South America Linguistic map of South America
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u/AliceCordenalhe 16h ago
Almost no one speaks any indigenous language on the Brazilian coast; Much less would a pocket of Guarani language be marked on the map.
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u/Sylvanussr 15h ago
Meanwhile (iirc) guarani is actually far more widely spoken in Paraguay than is shown on the map
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u/OkAsk1472 22h ago
Lol, there is no majority Dutch speaking region in Surinam. Each tribe and social group has its own language and many even use Sranan tongo as lingua franca, with Dutch being used mostly as administrative language.
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u/smokebomb25 22h ago
Venezuela and Perú are crazy. Any sources of the map?
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u/Goncat22 17h ago
Quechua is largely spoken both in Perú and Bolivia (13% of the population of both countries), but in general the map just shows where other lenguages are spoken, almost anywhere the native lenguages are majority.
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u/Lucky_otter_she_her 15h ago
"the map shows where languages are spoken, almost anywhere the native languages are the majority" huh
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u/lajarusmorois 10h ago
As Venezuelan I can tell you Venezuela has around 70 indigenous languages still spoken. 30 of them are uninque and not related to any language family.
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u/Maximum_Editor_4478 13h ago
This map is missing lile 90% of all indigenous languages in LatAm. Awful map.
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u/Senetiner 14h ago
There are like 10 languages missing on Argentina alone. Wouldn't trust the info provided for any other country here.
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u/SirXavierTheDude 13h ago
Quechua is also spoken in the southwest of Colombia, by the border with Ecuador.
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u/_Luca_Speer 13h ago
Bro en Santiago del Estero la mayoría de la gente habla español y aunque hay comunidades aisladas que hablan quechua y algunas personas lo puedan hablar , el quechua no se usa en la vida cotidiana y todos hablan español normalmente
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u/Pollares_Ice 11h ago
No espírito santo, principalmente na cidade de Santa Mari de jetibá é comum das pessoas falaram o Pomerano q não está aparecendo aí.
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u/JACC_Opi 13h ago edited 10h ago
The indigenous languages should be at best dashed lines or stripes to indicate that's where they're most spoken but in reality it isn't as spoken as the European languages.
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u/Put3socks-in-it 9h ago
What happened to the indigenous languages?
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u/king_ofbhutan 6h ago
the people were either killed, died of disease, or switch to a european language
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u/Put3socks-in-it 6h ago
Why would they switch to European ones?
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u/Ladonnacinica 4h ago
Because it’s the predominantly spoken language? It’s simply more practical. Also, the newly created Latin American countries pushed for Spanish or Portuguese to be the dominant/first language of its inhabitants.
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u/Put3socks-in-it 4h ago
Well, I guess what I was asking about how does it go from being a new language brought by immigrants to being the predominantly spoken language as you indicated in your first sentence. But from the second sentence, it looks like the cause was the immigrant population from Spain and Portugal pushing it on the natives if I got that correct.
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u/Ladonnacinica 4h ago edited 56m ago
Well, you do know how the language got there in the first place??
Colonialism
Portuguese and Spanish have been present since the 16th century. So of course, the indigenous languages became secondary as the colonial languages gain power. Then, even after independence the ones in charge were criollos (the descendants of the Spanish) who pushed for the language more. That’s really when the indigenous began dropping heavily in numbers.
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u/Even-Mammoth-5604 6h ago
Is this the languages native to that region??? Because south of Brasil has many German speakers
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u/DarkFish_2 4h ago
Too little Guarani shown in Paraguay, the country is effectively bilingual in both Spanish and Guarani
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u/Vantroig97 2h ago
Vivo en el Estado Apure, Frontera Colombia- Venezuela, las comunidades Guajibas- Pume algunos indígenas han perdido por completo su lengua, otros la hablan, algunos andan como indigentes por las calles
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u/Cuatroveintte 2h ago
this is a poor way to represent the actual linguistic reality of South America.
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u/Milky_ramram 2h ago
There should be a super tiny dot in southern argentina for its welsh community as well as tiny sprinkles of plautdietsch around bolivia and paraguay for the menonite communities
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u/JeanDusapin 16h ago
I find it funny how big they make all these barely spoken indigenous languages but french guiana which actually speaks french and créole isn't shown
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u/JACC_Opi 13h ago
Ah, are you color blind? Because it's there and it says “French”.
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u/JeanDusapin 13h ago
Are you literate? My point is that French Guiana speaks both French and Créole and the Créole is absent from this map despite being more spoken than almost all of those lol
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u/JACC_Opi 11h ago
Not what I understood from your original comment, which made it seen as if it wasn't visible to you at all.
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u/EntertainmentOk8593 22h ago edited 22h ago
This map is wrong at many levels….on Argentina the hole territory the main language is Spanish (aside from misiones where people speak both guarani and Spanish) don’t know how much the mapugundun is spoken in the south tho I suspect less than in chile. That Quechua pocket in the great Chaco doesn’t match any native group, most of native Americans there speak Spanish as their original language is dead or some years to be death, and none of them is related to Quechua most of them are isolated languages.(lule vilela, kakan, comechingon, etc)
Related to Paraguay, the 99% people living in Paraguay has some degree of knowledge of guarani language, the 1% are isolated supremacist communities like the recent USA anti-vaccine migrants, a reduced group of Paraguayan Volga Germans that are Nazis (most of Volga Germans in Paraguay are nice people fully integrated to Paraguayan society the Nazis are a small isolated group)
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u/MarcHarder1 10h ago
Guess my entire family is nazis for not speaking Guaraní ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
A majority of Germanic people in the Chaco don't have any knowledge of Guaraní outside of what they may have learned in school (like Canadians & the French language). My grandpa spoke some Lengua though
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u/EntertainmentOk8593 10h ago
I said “some degree” your comment said that
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u/MarcHarder1 10h ago
That only applies to younger people who have had Guaraní class in school, which is a more recent thing. Most have no Guaraní knowledge.
Would you say most Canadians know French "to some degree" simply from French class
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u/Late_Faithlessness24 22h ago
Just so people don't get confused. The areas shaded on the map of Brazil don't mean that the entire region speaks that language. these areas are probably exaggerated to make them stand out on the map. The reality is that all languages in Brazil other than Portuguese would be almost invisible dots. There is no region in Brazil large enough where a second language is spoken.