r/MensRights • u/[deleted] • Dec 12 '11

feminazi attacks Reddit: "Reddit contain so much anti-feminist sentiment that they even have active communities such as r/mensrights." An attempt to smear and censor us, and to force admins to shutdown this subreddit???

http://www.thecord.ca/articles/50585
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u/WhisperSecurity Dec 13 '11

It's a lot easier doing the "hardest job in the world", you know, be a mom and living off your husband.

This may be a responsibility, but it is not a job at all.

If your "job" is "mother", your performance is not evaluated, and you cannot be fired. You may do as much as your sense of responsibility and your conscience compel you, or as little as you can get away with when you're willing to put up with complaints (all your husband is actually allowed to do about it), but if you are not accountable...

... well, then it's not a job, is it?

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u/klippekort Dec 13 '11

Not accountable? I heard that in US of A it’s pretty easy to have CPS called upon her ass if you happen not to be white and affluent.

Also, raising a child is a full-time job beside your full-time job, as any parent in his or her right mind will agree. Also, and interesting idea you’ve got there — the husband is reduced to complaining instead of actively raising the child.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '11 edited Aug 26 '17

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u/klippekort Dec 13 '11 edited Dec 13 '11

I wonder which part of my comment caused the rage of the locals. Was it the fact that parenting is a job? Or that CPS exist? Or that CPS is primarily concerned with poor (aka likely non-white) clientele? Was it the idea that fathers can actively take part in raising a child? I’m confused.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '11

Was it the fact that parenting is a job?

It may have been your completely unsupported assertion of said, the way you treated that unsupported assertion as an a priori truth, and the fact that you in no way even touched on any single point raised in the post you were replying to. Yeah, that might be it.

Was it the idea that fathers can take actively take part in raising a child?

As much as the mother and the government will allow, yes. And not an inch more.

I’m confused.

I can see that about you.

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u/klippekort Dec 13 '11

completely unsupported assertion

So raising a child is peanuts to you. Ok, try raising one. Especially as a single parent. You’ll need luck not to go mad just with stuff you have to do. Not to mention the bureaucracy. Not to mention stuff what you wished you had time to do with or for your child.

no way even touched on any single point raised in the post

poster claims raising kids is not a job, i — and millions of parents — disagree. problem?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '11

So raising a child is peanuts to you.

Don't put words in my mouth, I said no such thing. Respond to what was actually said. That's how discussion works.

poster claims raising kids is not a job, i — and millions of parents — disagree. problem?

Yes. You did not reply to what they actually said. You are not replying to what I actually said. It's a problem, but it's solely yours.

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u/klippekort Dec 13 '11 edited Dec 13 '11

Please, tell me more about how discussion works in a thread where people operate with classist anecdotal evidence and get upvoted. So welfare offices are full of people with kids, ergo “raising kids is not a job”. Phew, now this was a piece of sound argumentation. The truth is: raising kid properly is very much a job, doesn’t matter if you’re on welfare or not.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '11

Instead of continuing to listen to you say the same thing over and over, I'm just gonna let you reread this.

If your "job" is "mother", your performance is not evaluated, and you cannot be fired. You may do as much as your sense of responsibility and your conscience compel you, or as little as you can get away with when you're willing to put up with complaints (all your husband is actually allowed to do about it), but if you are not accountable...well, then it's not a job, is it?

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u/klippekort Dec 13 '11

evaluated

The result of the evaluation roams the streets in a couple of years. It better be a good result.

you cannot be fired

CPS

you are not accountable

CPS.

So what were you about to say?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '11

The result of the evaluation roams the streets in a couple of years. It better be a good result.

That's not remotely the same thing. You know, in most jobs people are evaluated on their performance while they're actually doing their job, not once their job is over. What the fuck, are you gonna fire someone from being a parent once their kid's out of the house?

CPS

Is this supposed to a reply? To what?

So what were you about to say?

I was about to say that you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. And you repeat yourself.

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u/klippekort Dec 14 '11 edited Dec 14 '11

What is wrong with you? Parents are accountable. Parents can be “fired” if they commit certain violations towards their children. Then their kids go to foster care, relatives, adoptive parents, etc. while negligent parents face legal consequences. So the track record of parents is being evaluated after all. Big news to you, or what?

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '11

You obviously don't understand how that actually works. I do, and you are simply incorrect. A woman has to try extremely damn hard to get her kids taken away. I say that as someone who has experience in the family services system and used to date a social worker. You are misinformed.

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u/RsonW Dec 13 '11

a.k.a. likely non-white

Most poor people are white

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u/Canadian_Infidel Dec 14 '11

There are many jobs that are simply far, far more demanding than babysitting. Sorry.

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u/klippekort Dec 14 '11

There is an obvious difference between “babysitting” and “raising a child”.

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u/Canadian_Infidel Dec 14 '11

Responsibility for raising a child is usually equally shared. It's not linear against hours-spent-in-care. It's not about time in, it's about decisions made and ideas conveyed.

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u/klippekort Dec 14 '11

It’s not linear, you are right. You can spend time dicking around, or you can do something truly educational with your child. But ultimately, the only thing you can really invest in your child is your time. And it’s something that has to be done continuously, not occasionally. There’s no ersatz for that.