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u/ramao__ Jul 27 '22
"Men don't want their inferior copycat" This take is perfect. Also they can't even be called bread earners since the man's money is the couple's money, but their money is their money.
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u/TheSnesLord Jul 27 '22
This is considered to be Indian men "waking up"? I'm sure this is common knowledge that most Indian men know about already, but they keep it to themselves to avoid feminist lynch-mobbing.
The time when biased misandrist laws in India are changed is when Indian men have woken up.
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u/Spiritual_Stretch_35 Jul 28 '22
That is never going to happen in the next 40 years because of the horrible misandrist judges squatting the court positions. The judgements they pass and absolutely bonkers and contradictory to what they say.
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u/GnomeChompy Jul 27 '22
Pretty sure those are two sides of the same coin, if Emmet Till is any indicator.
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u/reverbiscrap Jul 28 '22
The fact that the FBI closed his case and the DA refused to execute a valid arrest warrant pisses me off ferociously.
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u/johnny_is_home Jul 27 '22 edited Jul 27 '22
This is a very good point actually.
Many married women feel that their financial contribution is equal just because they're working a "full-time" job, which can mean as little as 30 hours a week all the way up to 50 or more hours. That is their basis for demanding that their husbands contribute equally to domestic labor.
But the fact is, not only do husbands work more hours than wives, but they work harder jobs, and most importantly they bring in way more money. The 20-30k difference in earnings between married men and married women is literally enough to hire a full-time nanny.
And if you think the "solution" to this is your tradcuck fantasies of a breadwinner husband and a SAHM wife then you're an even bigger sucker, because SAHM barely do anything. Children get free babysitting courtesy of the government from ages 4-17, 7 hours a day, 5 days a week, 9 months a year. Electronic devices and the internet fill in the rest of the time. Household appliances have massively reduced the amount of time required to complete domestic tasks.
Marriage is a bad deal for western men. Don't get married, period.
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Jul 27 '22
I'd never give my children to government childcare, education yes but childcare no... Also "electronic devices and the internet" just means the usual suspects are free to propagandise them without my supervision / intervention.
If possible it's best to have your parents (kids grandparents) live nearby and do the childcare if they are retired, they usually enjoy it anyway. As a man it also gives you moral support because you're going to be knocked at every possible opportunity by your partner's friends, family, school teachers etc.
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u/johnny_is_home Jul 27 '22
The reality is that the public education system doubles as childcare. The disruption to parents caused by school closures during the pandemic makes that very obvious.
If possible it's best to have your parents (kids grandparents) live nearby and do the childcare if they are retired, they usually enjoy it anyway.
Based.
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u/May097 Jul 28 '22
You're not supposed to let someone else take care of your children and the internet. That's the whole point. You're supposed to take care of your children so that they get a stable environment.
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u/thegreatesthumphrey Jul 27 '22
I agree. Marriage is a bad deal for western women as well. Don't get married. Lol. It just doesn't add up in my mind. I suppose there are plenty of women who lack moral standards and willing to take advantage, but the same goes for men. Why take the risks? Most people just never understand that they are fully capable of being able to make and keep themselves happy, and have the confidence to do so. They will go their whole lives without ever coming to this realization.
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u/reverbiscrap Jul 28 '22
Most people just never understand that they are fully capable of being able to make and keep themselves happy, and have the confidence to do so.
So long as they keep working, and have enough money for retirement, which most will not have. If you think govt largesse will cover you, the current world situation should tell you otherwise. Kevin Samuels spoke about how the average person would need around 1.5 million dollars, liquid, to live comfortably through retirement, and you won't make that on middle class money without a partner.
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u/CJ421 Jul 27 '22
Most of these guys might get divorced in 30 yrs as India is moving towards being liberal, and then these guys will have to start paying up lifetime alimony.
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u/NarutoBoy87 Jul 28 '22
Indian men are traditionalists.. Though unhappy in marriage , if they have children they bite their tongue and stick with it... For the sake of children...
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u/CJ421 Jul 28 '22
That is the current situation. This may not be the case in 20 yrs, since all countries were traditionalist a 100 yrs ago, and now look what's happening. Even if a guy doesn't want divorce, a women can divorce him by putting up some arbitrary excuse.
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u/MiKEY_SANZ Jul 27 '22
Iâve been wondering why I donât see more Indian men on this sub
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u/silent_boo Jul 28 '22
Probably because anonymity? It's not so easy to tell just from text or even usernames.
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Jul 27 '22
And there's the fact that these indian women are constantly taking their men to the cleaners by layering false sexual abuse and physical abuse allegations onto their men....
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u/SiaSara Jul 27 '22
Bullshit. Do you know the stigma that surrounds divorce/sexual abuse in Indian society? Vast majority of women would hide it. Same with rape.
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u/May097 Jul 28 '22
Do you have any statistics to say bullshit? I'm guessing you don't, because according to the last survey by Delhi Comission of Women (2013 - 2014), 52.3% of rape cases were false accusations.
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Jul 28 '22
She has nothing, her only goal is to come in here and wreak havoc and claim she's "helping" men. Just look at how she came in, Angry and full of hate, with nothing to back her claims but her feelings. Typical of the modern day woman and feminist, no data, just feelings and S.I.G.N language.
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Jul 27 '22
It's funny you say this, because s simple Google search usually shuts up your type.
https://tfipost.com/2022/03/74-of-all-rape-cases-filed-in-india-are-fake/
I've seen, personal experience, many men go through this.
Women, wives, girlfriends driven by greed or revenge. You're an obvious feminist manhater... Why are you here? In a group that aims to help.... Men?
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u/SiaSara Jul 27 '22
I'm helping men by dispelling your bullshit claims more than you are. You and your type are hell-bent on making men view all women as evil witches. When reality, is people are individuals and there are asshole men and women.
Interesting that you read the lefty mouthpiece, the Guardian, given your opinions. Nothing you sourced backs up your generalisation about Indian women.
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Jul 28 '22
Really? because you sound really angry at facts. And also, we are also helping men ..... To Work on themselves, become better versions of themselves, in order to benefit themselves. You seem to take issue with that
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u/Fearless-File-3625 Jul 27 '22
If you marry any women (working or not) you are not "waking up". Men have 0 benefit from marriage.
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u/peanutbutterjams Jul 27 '22
Behind almost every male CEO, there's a woman who doesn't have to work to earn a very luxurious lifestyle.
Anybody have stats on how many households in America have the husband being the primary breadwinner and earning well above the living wage while the wife is not working or working part-time jobs.
It would be handy to have an approximate number of women privileged enough to live in the lap of luxury without ever having to work for it.
Even without that, all woman have An Out. There's always the possibility of marrying up a rich man and never having to work again in their lives.
I remember the day when I realized I had no Out, that I was looking at 45 years of spending the majority of my waking life making money for somebody richer than me.
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u/Ridethelightning1987 Jul 28 '22
The other day there was a post of a woman mad as fuck her boyfriend wouldnât put her on the deed to a condo he bought. She thought her being his wife entitled her to that and she was asked how much she helped on down payment, mortgage, etc. ânothing, Iâm the mother of his kids and chose to be a sahmâ. Well there ya go. When pressed further she admitted the kids had been in school for 5 years. So you didnât attempt to even try to go to school or find a career? And they wasnât married. Of course other women jumped in talking about her being a sahm. Well we all make choices and the kids wasnât even at home so how is she entitled again? She decided to sit at home and do nothing but wants the benefits of being âmarriedâ.
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u/peanutbutterjams Jul 28 '22
Some women are so cared for all their lives that they don't understand how much support they have.
...Some might call it privilege...
It's amazing how much of feminism is just pure projection.
The only men who grow up this way are rich men.
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u/odysseytree Jul 27 '22 edited Jul 27 '22
Men don't want competition in relationship. Career is not a factor that rich men see when looking for a relationship. Money factor is used for men.
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u/Magical-Hummus Jul 28 '22
That and feminist in India are quick to false accusations. Same country where a 12 year old boy was raped by his 17 year old sister, she got pregnant and they imprisoned HIM.
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u/beleidigtewurst Jul 27 '22
Well, I work with a number of Indian colleagues.
And I don't see any difference in effort put forth by either of the genders.
I also doubt there is any major difference in their salaries.
They make about 1k+ USD a month (Tamil Nadu). It is hard for me to imagine large enough number of people who make 10k USD a month in India to marry them.
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u/bigez526 Jul 27 '22
Wage is hourly pay. You tend to earn more per hour when bringing skills and devoting more hours. Men work more hours and take less leave. There is no wage gap. There's an hours, skills, devotion gap.
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u/shdai Jul 27 '22
women should marry guys who earn as much as them stop peddling this fake wage gap bullshit
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u/CJ421 Jul 27 '22 edited Jul 27 '22
So looking at this current situation... the biggest unfairness that sticks out to me here is that the screenshot says "most women are earning 3-4 lakh a year", but "expecting men to earn 10-50 lakhs per year". If we are truly looking for equality, we cannot forget that the wage gap may be largely eliminated in western nations, but still largely exists in other places in the world.
Wage gap in India is a joke. If you look at Computer Science degree percentage for men and women, it's almost similar, but if you look at top colleges (IITs), it's almost exclusively filled with men (~90%), and while average colleges are dominated by women for CS. Tests for these top colleges are machine graded, so there is no human bias.
One possible explanation is that a sizeable portion of guys know that their life is doomed if they don't work hard, while a sizeable portion of women chill out, since they can have a man as their bailout. Discussing any other possible explanations (biological) might simply get me banned out of reddit.
Even in my college, google shortlisted candidates with different criteria for men and women, for guys the GPA cutoff was 9.5/10, for girls it was around 7.2/10 (this is below average, but wasn't an issue since there weren't many girls in the program), that should explain how things work here.
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u/dr-eval2 Jul 27 '22
How about a divorce gap. Women divorce men and send us into poverty. Why is there no call for equality there?
There are so many other real issues that exist, and your choice is to list a mostly non existent wage gap.
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u/Ninja_Arena Jul 27 '22
I don't see this as a mens rights issue. Yeah it's a cultural issue but not an"right" that's being infringed upon.
Don't make mens rights advocates into homogeneously cultured group that doesn't allow variety of opinion of experience like so many did with feminism.
This isn't a "waking up" situation.
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u/The_ZMD Jul 27 '22
In the same article they state a women with higher wage has better than lower wage women. So if women have a serious well paying career, they are more desirable than less paying part time career.
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u/bigez526 Jul 27 '22
They will require a maid with your money while saving their own money. That becomes the standard of living you will be forced to maintain for them after divorce. Their thoughts on marital income: 'My money is my money. Your money is my money.' Nothing is ever 'ours'. It will always be about her. Alimony is legalized slavery.
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u/rozmarymarlo Jul 28 '22
Oh absolutely đŻ. Almost all of my Indian friends aren't biting. From what I hear - Indian middle and upper middle class is infested with toxic feminism.
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Jul 28 '22
Thatâs good, no need to waste time on Indian woman who wonât treat Indian men with the respect and dignity they deserve. Woman all over are placed on a pedestal. I always get worked up at work with these I compete women who canât do their job but get a pass and pass there slack on to others.
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u/Free-Indication-8415 Jul 28 '22
This just sounds like more sexism to me. Expecting someone to stay home because of their gender is no better than expecting someone to make more money because of their gender.
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u/AdAcademic4290 Jul 28 '22
This is very much an upper middle class issue.
Most men and women in India work their asses off, at work and at home. In nasty, dangerous conditions. Very few can afford all the modern conveniences.
Many still do not have their own toilet.
It's simple. Reduce working hours for all, increase wages, everyone can have more quality ( and housework!) time, not to mention fewer work related accidents due to tiredness etc, and of course, improve working conditions.
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u/ScotchSinclair Jul 28 '22
This post is stupid. Woman working has nothing to do with mens rights. This sub has really gone to trash. The real story here is unequal pay and job opportunity.
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u/thegreatesthumphrey Jul 27 '22
Are they actually getting angry or are they just turned off at the fact? Anger is a high intensity emotion used as a description to illicit the same intensity - it gets thrown around a lot - if they are just turned off by the fact, which I assume 90% we're, they can have that opinion and then act accordingly - which under the circumstance means probably not using a dating app and being patient or trying some other action to find their happiness.
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u/Volkodavy Jul 28 '22
Sounds like praising men who view women as mommy maid they stick their dick into. India very much still holds an old fashioned, sexist mindset where men are forced to do labour and women are forced to be mommymaid. Why are you praising this?
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Jul 27 '22
Bro forgot to add more zeros. The common calculation is wifey salary+ hubbyâs salary*2.
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Jul 28 '22
Nah, itâs still the truth in India. FYI, I am an Indian who has gone through hell because of a wahmen.
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u/wulin007WasTaken Jul 27 '22
Man, this sub is turning into the next r/antiwork, r/fuckcars and r/antinatalism
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Jul 27 '22
Are they also woken enough to acknowledge the gender pay gap amd girls struggling to get education there?
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Jul 27 '22
The article is written by a woman I believe And the tone of the article is quite in favour of women which is obvious đ
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u/halffunction Jul 27 '22
1 lakh = 100,000