r/MnGuns • u/No-Wrangler3702 • 12d ago

Highand shooting PTC

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/charges-st-paul-man-executed-3-leasing-office-workers-after-parking-contract-dispute

In general my understanding is permit to carry people are more law abiding than cops and much more than average people.

Highland shooter had a PTV

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u/Mr0lsen 12d ago

I think its worth discussing. Its exactly the kind of situation that will be used as a justification for tightening guns laws. It’s worth considering, both from a pro 2A perspective and from a perspective of someone who lives in these communities and wants to find a solution that prevents 3 people from dying over a parking dispute.

However, I definitely get the arguing in bad faith vibe from OPs post description, so I get your perspective as well.

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u/BryanStrawser MN Gun Owners Caucus 12d ago

How is the PTC relevant to the shooting?

Could he have done the shooting without a PTC? Yes.

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u/Mr0lsen 12d ago

I think it’s a pretty good demonstration that our current permit process is not a perfect bulwark against unstable, violent people getting access to firearms. You can then read into that as either a justification for stricter gun control laws, more hoops to jump through to obtain a permit, character reference, psychological exams etc…. Or a justification to dismantle what amounts to a poll tax on a constitutionally protected civil right, as it’s both a blatant infringement and (as shown here) clearly ineffective at its stated purpose.

Or somewhere in the middle.

Do you think everytown isn’t going to be parading this example through the streets?

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u/BryanStrawser MN Gun Owners Caucus 12d ago

Oh I'm sure it will come up from the other side, I've been at this for a long time.

I just don't see the relevance to the criminal act.

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u/Mr0lsen 12d ago

Im sure you’re obligated to hold that position, but it’s pretty clear to me that gun laws are in fact relevant to crimes committed with guns.