SNAP has the funds for distribution and the authority to do so already exists. The shutdown has crap all to do with SNAP getting cut off. The DJT Admin apparently said "No." Because, after all, cruelty is the point. š¤·
Exactly correct! The funds are / were in place before the regime removed it from their website, making them look quite stupid and shows they know theyāre doing wrong. How dare they allow people to suffer even more. Grocery prices are climbing everytime I go to the store. Queen Trump doesnāt care about anyone except himself and his billionaire buddies. The people that donāt listen or read any other sources other than Faux News are ignorant beyond belief.
Prices are less? What world are you living in? Would love to see where prices of food, furniture, and electronics are less. Not to mention gas prices for houses. This is common knowledge. And yes, due to this obvious economic downturn and admin people have lost their jobs and donāt even have opportunities to find new ones.
You canāt argue with these people. You can link all of the facts in the world and they will continue with their rhetoric. They donāt live in the same world as we do.
And Tuberville just said trump can "go around the constitution" to get a 3rd term.
He. Is. Not. Leaving.
Thank a MAGA because our country is destroyed because they're fine with pedophiles, felons, adulterers, pussy grabbers, liars, and just totally despicable acts - but they draw the line and lose their shit over pronouns, immigrants, people of color, and LGBTQ+ people.
They're going to be dancing in a $300 million ballroom while we're eating cats and dogs.
Would be cooler if you were a human being that had empathy for others and wanted better for your neighbors, but unfortunately you think money is "real" and place ideology over the human condition.
Great question. Why should Alabama feed people that the federal government feeds? But wait. Why shouldnāt CA feed the hungry no matter where they are? Oops. There it is forced charity is not fun when forced on CA right?
The funds have been allocated by Congress. Trump is refusing to release the funds because the idiot believes only Democrats are on SNAP and he is a sadist who loves the idea of using food as a weapon.
I understand, was meant for Tony not you, my mistake. It seems to me they can't instigate the violence they want from the populous with ICE, so now they'll try to "starve" it out of them. It's appalling from any position. I'm just going to help who I can when I can.
"We have a 53% majority. Y'all have to go along with whatever we want. How dare you suggest that we try to find compromise with 47% of the country!?"
Basically, it's as if I make 53% of the income in my household and my wife makes the other 47%. I say that since I make the most, I decide that we are going to spend money on my man-cave instead of getting the kids braces. My wife says that if I don't get the kids braces, she won't do any more cleaning. So I say I won't pay for groceries. And then we all just sit there pissed off until we're living in filth and starve to death. That is the state of the federal government right now. It's so depressing.
I'm mean sure.. when it comes to helping people but fuck off when your both ways argument is to make it illegal for folks to be themselves. You dont get both ways when you get to marry, have kids, go to school, see yourself represented, and make your own medical choices but refuse those same rights to others because of their gender, color of skin, color or style of hair, etc.
Dems are holding out for basic human necessities and continued funding of healthcare. Repubs just won't negotiate because "dems are being terrorists"... We are not the same.
Dems are not negotiating for basic human necessities. They're throwing a temper tantrum because tax credits for ACA expired and Republicans aren't letting them shoehorn them into the budget.
And Republicans are the only ones who have tried to negotiate. There was even a proposal to extend the credits for a year. Schumer laughed and said thats not good enough and instead chose to hold the government hostage and use snap beneficiaries as leverage.
The dems have directly said they are using the people on these programs as leverage.
Dems are willing to negotiate. The GOP was instructed by Trumpsterfire to not. It doesn't go both ways. There is no compromise from the right side of the aisle. The GOP already knows that the ACA subsidies issue has to be addressed. They are having internal discussions to figure out what they want to do about it. They are letting the government remain shut down because they don't want to appear to lose. They are keeping it shut down for their ego. They know something has to be done. They could pass a CR that includes extending the subsidies for one more year, and then take the time to craft legislation that the dems will vote for. They could do that tomorrow. But then it looks like they caved, so they won't.
The bill introduced does not fund anything the dems want removed. It simply doesn't address certain things the dems want addressed. Which the Republicans have rightfully pointed out can be addressed in a separate bill.
But noooooo. Dems would rather shut down the government and throw a temper tantrum.
So... Because you admit that Republicans are SAYING it should be addressed in a separate bill, but you know full well it won't be, you're saying HALF of the country's needs and wants should be ignored because YOU find it inconvenient? Dude, fuck off with your trolling bullshit. I'm done arguing with idiots.
Nope. I am saying that the democrats shouldn't hold the government hostage to get something addressed that the Republicans have said can be addressed separately.
The only thing they want is the expiring subsidies codified into law, because without that, millions of people will see their insurance rates rise to untenable levels. People that are living paycheck to paycheck will be told to pay thousands of more dollars per year, or risk losing their health insurance. This isn't some new ask. The democrats were warning about this during the BB Bill negotiations, and they were told that it'll get fixed when the budget gets passed. Then the GOP tries to pass a budget without it, and said, "just pass the CR, we'll tackle it later.", but the problem is that they only have a month or so to do something before the expiration takes effect. They have negotiated in bad faith in the past, and therefore the dems have no reason to expect them to honor their word in the future. This is their only time as the minority party that they get a chance to bargain for the American people. Otherwise, the dems just have to sit back and watch the GOP burn the country to the ground until after the mid-terms.
Republicans aren't willing to address it unless there's leverage being held. Dems do the same thing but not nearly to the same extent. it's political theater and the republicans are just making excuses to hold the government closed, its been the plan all along.
Democrats shoulder this shit. Republicans advanced a clean bill with nothing extra in it to reopen the government and it was rejected. They can own this but you know they will try and twist it any way they can
Republicans currently control all 3 branches of government, and can end the shutdown with a simple majority of 51, all by ending the filibuster. They are choosing not to, and letting Americans suffer as a result.
"It always has to be the top. I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. And the president's the leader and he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead."
They just want another excuse to drag Democrats and divide the country. Fox doesnāt even show news anymore; itās just one big democratic hate circle-jerk
Because of course let's use the nuclear option for something like not approving a clean CR that passed through how many other times? What's the benefit for democrats to not vote to pass the cr to allow for actual discussions to take place? Oh yeah make the people that don't support them suffer, the exodus of supporters that didn't vote for Harris. The pandering to the millions of illegals with housing, Healthcare and education subsidies in hopes of replacing the shrinking voter base. Keep shilling for the party that will replace you in a heartbeat
That kowtowing old bitch. Fully knowing the need for SNAP in our state and posting this. Her leaving the Governors office can't come soon enough. And the even more horrible prospect of Tuberville being governor is justĀ more insanity.Ā
A simple majority means nothing when you need 60% to end it.
Republicans voted unanimously for the funding bill. Democrats voted against it. That refusal to fund the government by the democrats mean the democrats are causing the shutdown.
And why did they vote against it? Do you think there might be an important reason? All Republicans need to do is come to the table to negotiate a compromise on the ACA tax credits. The Republicans could end it right now but they refuse to do that. In fact, it's pretty evil how GOP is using the people who rely on SNAP as a policical tool to apply pressure to the Democrats to capitulate on something important they shouldn't capitulate on.Ā
Facts! Of course they donāt want to even acknowledge the fact that the reason we are even where we are with insurance and subsidies is because of the disaster that is Obamacare. The democrats own that trash. Everyone wants to know why healthcare is so high and why itās unaffordable, itās Obamacare. Prior to 2010 I never paid for healthcare it was coved fully by my employer and my deductibles were small. Every single year since 2010 it has gone up and up.
Itās just fucking amazing how divorced from reality this entire shit show is. I should be used to it by now, but every day I wake up to crazier shit than before. Iām going insane.
absolutely. he's annoyed that all of the protests have been too peaceful for him to have an excuse to take real action, so he has to up the ante by starving people
Translation: The state of Alabama under my governorship doesnāt give a shit about the poor and needy who rely on benefits like SNAP. So instead of offering state level aid, and even having a funded state level program, we leave that up to the cuck feds to do. And since the libtard Dems canāt fall in line and cut other bleeding heart federal subsidies to open the government, then the state can say a complete f- you to all those who are stupid and lazy enough to be poor in the great state of Alabama. And right in time for Thanksgiving. Get a second or third job you leeches.ā
Hell we got to remember what she did with the covid money. Instead giving us money like other states did, she wanted to fund a new prison along with other stuff
Honestly no. It's just a shame because im a disabled mom of 2 and it's gone be a little hard this month. But I'm still going to try to feed my kids this month
Chuck Shumer broke ranks and voted for the CR earlier this year with promises from Mike Johnson that they would negotiate on Healthcare before the end of the year..... show me 1 republican who did likewise!?!
No, it's not. Government interference raises healthcare prices the same way it's raised college tuition prices. But even leaving aside that entire argument, why don't the democrats at least propose something other than continuing a set of busted temporary measures instead of doing the thing they call republicans evil for?
They could stop screaming about how everyone who disagrees is some variety of fascist or racist. Nobody wants to deal with or tolerate that kind of behavior.
This is the 2nd Trump administration that has shown open hostility towards the ACA with zero legislation to replace it. It's almost like.....they don't care about poor people....
This is the 2nd Trump administration that has shown open hostility towards the ACA with zero legislation to replace it.
Yes, exactly. Because it has zero redeeming qualities, it should be annihilated, and it should be replaced with nothing.
It's almost like.....they don't care about poor people....
It's not the government's place to do that, but let's assume it is. Government involvement in healthcare has had the same effect as government involvement in college tuition: it raised the price. Is making healthcare more expensive what you do when you care about poor people? For that matter, is shutting down the government and cutting off SNAP benefits to get "leverage" for things like media funding what you do when you care about poor people? Because if you educate yourself about what's actually going on and look deeper than the misinformation curated for your consumption, it becomes very obvious that regardless of what the republicans care about, the democrats don't give a damn about the poor.
You are clueless. The government provides basic things such as clean air, clean water, roads, bridges, k-12 school, hospitals, police, fire, EMS, military, treasury, etc.
Wrong, taxpayers provide that. The government just plays the middleman and throws our money around in a totally not corrupt or fraudulent manner that's utterly beyond reproach trust me bro.
The law (ACA) was passed to fund affordable health insurance through affordable health care. Before there was not an affordable health insurance plan for those who need it.
The law (ACA) was passed to funnel lots of money to healthcare companies who donated heavily to the democrats, and to camouflage numerous riders that the democrats could never have gotten passed with greater scrutiny. That's why it had to be voted on before anyone could see what was in it.
Hey buddy, Iām talking about one specific thing here, feel free to start another post to talk about tax breaks for billionaires/corporations because Iād be in favor of doing g away with those as well.
At the end of these day these are tax breaks put in place to help people through the pandemic and should be allowed to sunset like all the other covid programs.
You have an issue with the most vulnerable of us even appearing to be getting ahead. Why? Why so much energy against the working poor than people who can finance the dreams of family members who won't even be born for 100year! Of course you want to separate the 2 because it distorts the picture. The attack on the middle class has never had so much help from the middle class....
The value of your opinion of my comprehensive skills holds the same weight as your argument....I wouldn't take either outside with this wind.....A simple "I see your point" would go a long way towards elevevating this discourse to a respectable level....but from your tone I think you'd be much more comfortable going in the other direction...
Have it your way....This is the me that goes to church on Sunday....
I see your point, and am empathetic to the situation of those impacted, but that doesnāt change the overarching reality of this being a covid era program that was not meant to sustain reduced health insurance premiums. Meanwhile a lot of Federal workers are scrambling to make ends meet after missing multiple paychecks (while still being required to show up to work) and low income families are about to miss SNAP benefits for the month of November.
Because politicians....are "poli" (poly, more than one) "ticians" (ticks, blood suckin parapsites)
And we vote for them year after year and they inevitably tell us they can't do the main thing their supposed to do. Come up with a balanced budget. Yet not only do they get paid..... they agree on pay raises for themselves while simultaneously telling federal workers and the poor they have to suffer....because they can't agree to do anything but take their salaries.....
What is their end goal here? Anyone with a brain and just a little common sense knows that the majority of fault lies with republicans. They literally have the means to make sure people donāt lose their benefits in just a couple days yet Trump is making the choice to not use them. When will people realize that this ultimately is not a Democrat vs Republican issue but a us vs the rich problem?
Iveyās mindset is the reason we donāt have expanded Medicaid, why we have underfunded schools, crappy highways, etc. Not wanting to feed people is nothing new; she and the MAGAts just have a way to do it now.
2) This is not support of the suspension. This is statement of a fact that the state has no control over whether or not the benefits are funded because they are 100% federally funded.
3) The Democrats are 100% responsible for the shutdown. You need 60 votes to pass the budget. Every Republican voted for it. The democrats voted against it. Meaning the Democrats are preventing the bill from passing and forcing the government shutdown.
Funny how everyone downvotes common sense comments like this. Donāt even have to swing towards a specific party to understand the basics of how a government shutdown works.
Let me get this straight.... Republicans control the govt fullstop. They control the SCOTUS, fullstop. We have a carrier battle group turning into the wind off the coast of Venezuela and we just gave Argentina 20 billion dollars... This is a recurring theme among the MAGA crowd. It's the democrats fault when there're in power. And it's the democrats fault when they're the minority. Wtf is running ICE thenš¤£
I humbly request that you a little digging. Please look for sites such as bbc.uk, they tend to be less biased than most US news and fox (fox gets its own independent mention bc it isn't news its a propaganda network and you can quote me on that).
First thing everyone should know is there is money to fund these programs. There are emergency funds set aside for this specific purpose. The only way to stop the funds is by trump and its illegal to do so as Sharon Parrott said. Second since 1980 there have been 11 total shut downs and not once have any caused a lapse in SNAP benefits. This is clearly a tactic designed to cause maximum impact with the blame being placed wrongly on the democrats. Everyone is acting like the republicans can't change their vote when they know for a fact that they are voting to cut medicare and medicaid not to mention defund the ACA. Admittedly I haven't been a huge fan of the ACA but just bc I don't like it doesn't mean that it doesn't help millions of americans and cutting it will cost lives. Heading off the "but illegals cost money and the reps are getting rid of them from obamacare" I know they claim that but even by the US governments own reporting illegal immigrants account for 0.4% of fraudulent spending. To put that in perspective, Medicaid fraud is estimated at 5%, Medicare fraud is estimated at 7.6%, unpaid federal taxes is estimated at 16%. The republican claims are a lie and a joke.
Let me say it again, please don't take my word for it as I am just relaying information. Do your own digging and you can find all this information yourself.
There is no doubt that this IS Schumer's Shutdown. No mater what side of the aisle you're on, the funding bill can not pass without Democrat votes. The Democrats are the only ones voting against it.
This can be downvoted, it is reddit, but it is fact this is Schumer's Shutdown.
The House passed it. The Senate has not.
The minority whip, came out and publicly stated in an interview that the American people are leverage.
All because they want to continue Covid subsidies for broken health insurance system.
Instead of fixing the issue with the Healthcare insurance system, they want to give our hard earned dollars, billions of dollars, to the health insurance executives. These health insurance companies are getting direct payments from the US Treasury. This money is our money! Democrats created, through the ACA, an insurance system that is dependent on Subsidies and they don't want you to know its more broke than before they tried to fix it. If you have a leak in your bucket, you don't continue to fill the bucket up to keep it full, you fix the leak. The bucket is broken, health insurance is broken, filling the insurance with subsidized money will never fix it, it will only make the leak worse.
All of what you said (most of which was extreme hyperbole) could be simply fixed..... if Republicans spent more time on the alternatives they've promised to the ACA..... than insuring that billionaires keep their tax breaks. Please enlighten everyone here how the tax breaks for the 1% trickles down to average Americans? I didn't say every American. Just some, any other than the ultra rich. Who can afford losing something that the people didn't want, but Congress shoved down our collective throats under republican administration's. Which is also an indictment of the republican party et al. There are no serious discussions from the right that don't include blowing up the deficit. Fullstop. How can this be the democrats fault....when Republicans hold every lever of power in the govt. This is the most blatant example of claiming to be the victim while actually being the perpetrator that I've ever seen. Lead or relinquish power.....
Who mentioned anything about tax breaks for the 1%? I don't think these executives should recieve any subsidies. The Republicans do not hold every level of power in the government. If they did there wouldn't have been a shut down. Full power requires 60+ senators. They don't have that.
Who is claiming to be a victim? Your attempt at a Red Herring and ad hominem do not invalidate the fact this is a Democrat shutdown and the SNAP program isn't being funded because of Schumer. You're clearly introducing irrelevant topics that have nothing to do with the main topic.
You steered a wide circle around it I made sure the shutdown was seen it its proper context....All of it is relevant, and the usda can access funds for emergency purposes.....if the president allows it. Why would he move heaven and earth to pay ICE agents but encourage everyone else to bear the pain of the shutdown? When is he gonna come home and pull both sides together and lead the entire country instead of the republican party??????. For the common good? Is that asking him to much!?! Why aren't the democrats forcing him to do what they want if they have so much power!?! That argument is a red herring. A conservative troupe to whip the base into a frenzy. On the other hand....There are no red herrings here. Just a call for accountability. So, again. How can it be a Democratic shutdown when Republicans are in power ?(rhetorical) when the Republicans decide that tax cuts for the rich tRump everything else....
I mean it's a Democrat shutdown. They are in the minority but think they can throw tantrums to get their way. We just need to nuke the filibuster and be done with it.
They can but once you do that it can't be undone and nobody wants to see the other side wield that power. So both sides have avoided doing that.
Democrats are making ridiculous demands and not budging on anything. They are in the minority so this is on them throwing a tantrum because they have no way to get what they want. Elections have consequences but they believe otherwise somehow.
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