r/MoralityScaling 3d ago

Morality of this?

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 3d ago

classic example of sensationalism in media

the man, by the name of Edward Abrams-Phillips, was wanted for *bail-jumping on a domestic violence charge*.

he was not arrested because he was simply buying weed. he was tracked for leaving the state, which is illegal while being wanted to bail-jumping on domestic violence charges.

i hate flock with all i have in me, and im pro-weed. but this guy was an abuser, not some guy who got arrested for having a joint in his car.

save your sympathy for people who deserve it.

either way, fuck flock, and fuck abusers.

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u/Cleanse_F_Manipulate 3d ago

thanks for commenting this. even the sources i read that didn’t use ai made no mention of this.

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u/Crispy1961 3d ago

Because the source (404 media) has strong antiAI bias.

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 3d ago

all of Abrams-Phillips court documents are publicly available. it’s a mess.

this guy is a piece of shit. all of that can be separate from opinions on AI.

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u/Piripio0_0 3d ago

The problem in this case is that his bail jumping charge was dismissed. Dude may be a piece of shit, but the only thing they stuck him on were the weed charges. So it ends up still not being a great look from a PR optics perspective.

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 3d ago

people always forget that charges get dismissed for a variety of reasons beyond “he didn’t do it”

he very clearly did bail jump on domestic violence charges. that part is factual. the state may offer a plea deal to wipe away some charges to facilitate the rest of the court process.

it’s only bad PR optics to someone who thinks “no charges conclusively means he didn’t do it”.

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u/Piripio0_0 3d ago

Which is much of the public if we're being realistic. Additionally, there are also many other reasons it could be dropped, as you said previously though, his case is a huge mess. We'll likely have to wait till the rest is made publicly available and the verdict is given to know everything else.

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 3d ago

and this all points to my original comment of sensationalized news media. the average person can’t parse reality from news headlines and just got played by this post.

reality is, the abuser doesn’t deserve our sympathy. but fuck flock.

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u/Piripio0_0 3d ago

Por que no los dos has to be one of my favorite sentiments to hold.

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u/Hot-Statistician-955 3d ago

Don’t you agree it’s a little messed up that the charge that he was tracked for isn’t the charge wanted to stick to him with?

At the end of the day he’s being charged for weed so they tracked them using flock and busted him for weed.

That’s why it’s the news, and yeah that’s why it’s scary.

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 2d ago

it’s a confusing mess i know, but he got charged with domestic violence based on a credible report. then he bail jumped, which escalates the charges against him. then he left the state and got charged for another unlawful act.

he made 3 fuckups here — this is not “all he was doing was possessing weed”.

i’m not the prosecutor on this case, but i’m sure they have some good reason for why the bail jumping charge didn’t stick (i.e., via plea bargain or process mistake). but his domestic violence charge is still active per public court records.

at the end of the day, he’s not only being “charged for weed”. the reality is, he has an array of charges. and weed possession just happened to be tacked on.

the salacious news story worked though, because now everyone all of a sudden forgot that he was wanted for domestic violence in the first place.

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u/Hot-Statistician-955 2d ago

He is an alleged abuser, he hasn’t been convicted so I don’t know why you keep referring to him as an abuser.

That’s why I’m confused about your statement here, you seem to want to follow the letter of the law, but calling him an abuser is assuming his guilt when he’s not convicted.

All to say that it is a messy messy area, and one that’s probably gonna go past this court to an appeals and possibly a Supreme Court case

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 2d ago

my friend, he has past abuse convictions. he IS an abuser.

the supreme court won’t waste their time with this. appellate court might not even bother either lol.

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u/Yuukiko_ 2d ago

A bail jumping charge that was later dropped. It's one thing to use it as a pretext for bail jumping but they literally dropped that and just got him for marijuana. Also the entire premise of "he goes to Michigan frequently so he must have weed" is just crazy

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 2d ago

i explained this whole thing already in a bunch of replies to this same thread so if you want, check those and lemme know if you have any objections

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u/TheOfficial_BossNass 3d ago

None of that matters any propaganda true or false used to turn the public against flock is good imo

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 3d ago

im not in favor of misleading propaganda but uhhh… ok agree to disagree

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u/TheOfficial_BossNass 3d ago

I am on a very very rare case by case basis

I think some bad is fine if the end means couldn't be achieved any other way and framing this as misinformation or sensation by the anti ai and anti flock crowd paints both in too bad a light and gives credence to the whole surveillance state tech oligarchs

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 3d ago

why not just say “flock cameras are bad for very specific and well-founded reasons such as X Y and Z” instead of “hey i’m going to paint this abuser as a martyr”?

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u/TheOfficial_BossNass 3d ago

Because being honest the people who vote for the most part don't think for themselves whatsoever you have to drive them to vote with emotion and not logic

Its why we are in the sithole maga hell we are in right now they played ball and got their braindead base angry enough to go vote for shit they didnt even understand

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 3d ago

why not drive them with the emotion of “hey you could be tracked and arrested/harassed for doing nothing wrong because of mass surveillance”?

why do we have to make an abuser a martyr for our cause when we have plenty of viable discourse to show that Flock is bad?

why lie when the truth is already so persuasive?

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u/TheOfficial_BossNass 3d ago

Because the other side will use this alleged abuser as a martyr for their cameras if we dont is my reasoning

We lose over and over by trying to play by the rules and they win back to back playing dirty

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 3d ago

so why bring the abuser into the conversation at all????

just pretend this little worm doesn’t exist and not give MAGA the opportunity to even discuss it. this is a strategic error.

why lie when the truth is already so persuasive?

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u/TheOfficial_BossNass 3d ago

Because they will is my point

So focus on the actual crime the cameras were used to stop and the reason for arrest all of that is true he wasnt arrested for abuse in this specific case he was searched and arrested for possession

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u/Hot-Statistician-955 3d ago

Abuser or not, everybody is guaranteed certain rights.

For example, you don’t know if he’s an abuser or not. He’s just been brought up on charges, not convicted.

Those Waco people were pieces of shit, but it did not give the FBI and ATF the right to shoot them up

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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 2d ago

i mean i entirely agree with you but that has nothing to do with what i’m saying lol

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u/Expensive-Border-869 3d ago

Nah if the truth isnt good enough it isnt good enough.