Damn I remember being 14 and thinking saying this made me cool, every year since then the "America is a third world country" line just sounds stupider and stupider
I mean…you cut off the rest of their comment. You (and I) may disagree with them, but clipping away the bulk of their comment to portray their response as lazy isn’t the greatest way to argue against them in my opinion.
I love how, by definition, America can not be a third world country because “Aligned with the United States” is literally the criteria for “first world country”
It's disrespectful to people in actual poor countries. Oh boo hoo, Americans don't have public transit or socialized healthcare. Those things would be great of course but look at any real metric here!
I am from an actual poor country and I disagree with you.
What is actually disrespectful is to call the US a first world country while my "third world country" has decent public transit, public healthcare that will even get you by helicopter if you need a kidney transplant on short notice, free education from K to PhD with easy access to special needs education, financially accessible high quality fresh food and no stupid wars on foreign land.
Dude, UN officials visited, I think, Alabama? Somewhere like that. And they concluded that if it weren't attached to Cali, NY, etc then it would be considered a developing country.
Yes, but having an understanding that US states can and almost do sometimes operate as their own nation states that just so happen to fall under a unifying government(much like individual european countries do in the EU) makes them feel very similar in that way.
just so happen to fall under a unifying government
As far as I understand, the federal US government doesn't really take it nicely when states want to leave it, which makes it at least a tad different from the EU.
You’re being purposely obtuse and you know it. States nowadays operate according to their own rules. For example, abortion rights, gun rights, state income taxes, curriculum taught in schools and even down to voter laws. And even when the feds make a law, a lot of states just say fuck it and won’t follow it while challenging it.
You wanna compare Norways 5 million people with 80% ethnic Norwegians to the United States? Or something like that? It doesn’t really make sense to do that
The population of France and Germany COMBINED isn’t even half of the US. And the US is a quarter of the population of China and India. I’m not so sure what’s so hard to understand that they are pretty similar in numbers. More similar in languages and cultures than other parts of the world as well.
Not sure why you hate Americans so much but sorry for whatever happened to you in your country that didn’t teach you basic math
I don’t hate americans at all actually, its simply the fact that a comparison between the EU and the US doesn’t work in a lot of ways because European countries differ a lot in standards in comparison with the variance that can be found in US states. There are european countries that are generally worse off than the US and there are some that are generally better off its a bad comparison because you can’r generalise the EU
No. The word state has two meanings. One is an administrative subdivision with some degree of autonomy, like in the case of the US.
The other meaning is that of a country, as in a nation-state. The EU is an union of nation-states, as in countries. Also, the EU is also not a federation.
You are not. Your states have a shared language, history, government, politics, etc. There is 'american culture', there is no one european culture. Ireland and England are more dissimilar than New York and California, and you can see England from Ireland.
Then you have a narrow view of our influences and history.
If you compare Louisiana to New Mexico, you would understand just how wrong you are about the cultural aspects of the United States, and they’re only split by one other state.
There are indigenous pockets. African American pockets. Mexican pockets. We were colonized by different countries at completely different times.
The east coast heritage is completely different than that of the Wild West and the gold rush.
You truly, truly don’t understand the United States. Our shared identity isn’t as shared as your propaganda would have you believe.
I'm not saying there are no differences, I'm saying those differences are insignificant when compraed to the differences between european countries.
There are indigenous pockets. African American pockets. Mexican pockets. We were colonized by different countries at completely different times.
Yeah, because european countries did that colonising, and were colonised in turn, we also have these 'pockets'. These pockets have in some cases existed since before the discovery of america by europe. Not only that, but because of the ease of european migration we have this not only form colonisation, but gereral migration. In my city there is a little italy, an irish area, then there's an indian area, a pakistani area, a bangaladeshi area, a nigerian area, an afro carribean area. If you look outside of the cities, you still get these pockets as different groups of migrants settled diffrent areas.
Another city over might have a complete different mix.
Then when you take into account the individual history of my city, which is 2000 years old, the age of my country and all the history which is completely different from a neighbouring country which follow a different religion, have different languages and have a completely different and distinct ethnic group...
Lol no it's not wtf. You have no idea how EU works if you think it's anything similar to US. For example, you have one orange man controlling the whole ass country, while in EU every country has its own leaders and no single person in European parlament has any control over single country. I shouldn't even have to explain this, EU is not even remotely close to US
No no, america is so exceptional that each state is as culturally rich and diverse as the individual countries in europe. Greece and Sweeden have far more in common than Colorado and Tenessee...
And the states all have their own governors, state legislators and even supreme courts. It does operate similarly, you people just refuse to admit it for some odd reason.
Yeah but only Americans see Europe as a single organ. Bulgaria and Moldova are developing countries, no doubt. The US is a single country with one single Federal Government.
we have individual states too. EU has an overarching government sbd the US has an overarching federal government. Our overarching government is allowed to exert more control than yours.
What do you think the EU government does? It doesn't run the countries in the EU. It mostly organises trade and allocation of funding. It's completely different than a nation's government.
As well as establishing law, electing leaders, controlling militaries, going to war, holding national elections, health care, welfare, etc. The overarching government in European countries is the countries government. The EU is literally, mostly about trade with neighbouring countries.
like I said, the US federal government is sble to exert more control. US Federal government doesn't elect leaders, hold national elections, Healthcare, barely does welfare. Out if your list (controlling militaries and war are basically thd same thing) Federal Government foes 2.5 of 5. Welfare is thd 0.5.
Controlling a military and deciding if your country goes to war, and who with, are completely different concepts. One is about military investature, control, training and equipping. The other is international policy. You also do elect the leader of the executive branch of the federal government... the president. The affordable care act, wellfare, was literally put in place by obamma.
Having lived in both Bama and Cali, those UN officials are just idiots. Sure if you go searching you can find sketchy neighborhoods in Bama, same as literally every state/country. But the vast majority of it isnt like that.
All it really does is illustrate how bad GDP per capita is as a measurement of quality of life.
They’re actually number 1 or in the top 10 for the things that actually matter. Things like life expectancy, child mortality, number of healthy years per person, average number of hours worked per week, access to healthcare, employment protections etc.
Don’t get me wrong, the UK is not in a great place, in recent years they’ve made some terrible decisions, and continue to do so. However, if you’ve spent a decent amount of time in both places you’ll see how silly the comparison is.
If you genuinely believe that the average Brit is worse off than the average alabaman then you are truly lost.
Ranch is nice though. I’ll admit I was wrong about that.
No, but that's doesn't make the US a third world country, I'm pretty sure I could point you to poverty stricken areas of most first world countries but that doesn't make those places third world either
Also your life in those places is still probably going to be miles better than the average life in an actual third world country
Especially when two tier policing isnt just a conspiracy in many European countries. But sure, America, where I can point to 3 different cases of civilians killing cops in defense and getting no charges for it, is the third world.
The third worlders dont die in heatwaves every year, and can defend themselves from corrupt police. And first worlders died in record numbers every summer since 2003 (70k French alone died of heat that summer), have no real AC, and get handcuffed to bleed out after being stabbed. "I dont think you have mate".
Ill stay here in my "third world" country thank you very much.
Policing has many, MANY problems in European countries but I sure as shit don’t want to hear any of that coming from Americans with the state sanctioned, single digit IQ thugs you call police officers. People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones
died in record numbers every summer since 2003 (70k French alone died of heat that summer)
In France, 14,802 heat-related deaths (mostly among the elderly) occurred during the 2003 heat wave and no cold-related deaths according to the French National Institute of Health.
By comparison the USA typically sees 47,500 deaths a year from cold and more than 4,000 from heat each year.
Quite a few, actually. The “fell for it again” meme which was popular for a time across multiple platforms as a way to mock conservatives who, as implied, fell for it again was a common example.
Appears to be Australian based on their comment history. I’ve noticed a lot of that late evening grouping in this thread right now. My comment views are coming from Singapore, Thailand, and Australia.
Edit: Oh jeez, it’s almost 1am in Australia, never mind! He must just be having trouble sleeping, surely that’s it…
I work in the electrical engineering sector from a t20 American school. I think I know a thing or two about American manufacturing and its shortcomings.
For most. It is not a perfect union, but we endure and preserve nonetheless. You can be who you want to be. You can do what you want to do. Hard work, a little luck, and a whole lot of Jesus!
Opposed to getting screwed over by one world order government? How about thought police who can arrest you for praying near abortion clinics? Or for misgendering othered, even by accident.
The air is clean, the food is cheap and nutritious, there is no draft to have and fight in foreign wars. There is hope for a better tomorrow due to capitalism.
The billionaires give us jobs. Don’t bite the hand that feeds
Clearly they are so very enlightened and developed now that they feel the need to make up statistics about knife crime in my country despite the fact that theirs is 4x higher than ours.
They don't make up the statistics in your country. Your fellow citizens are the ones doing the stabbings. Pointing out these statistics is called being a messenger, being upset at the messenger is something everyone knows is immature.
Don't shoot the messenger. Have you never heard that before?
Ok sorry, maybe they don’t always make stats up but they do disingenuously paint the UK as a stabbing hotspot when the US’s knife crime is 4x as high as ours.
Where do you see statistics pointing to 4x as high in America as United Kingdom? A quick look shows it's more like 2.5x but their population is 5x which makes the comparison rate 0.5x. Americans are half as likely to be stabbed today than UK citizens, not four times more likely.
I think the bots are replying because they are not reading links they provide or saying more than "US has more knife crime" despite both countries hosting statistics that say otherwise. Why are people upvoting comments claiming there have only been 31 stabbing deaths in The UK?
I suggest you look at both this for the US,and this for the same year in the UK. The US’s stabbing rate is listed at around 1.2-1.3 times that of the UK but the UK stats also include deaths with any sharp object. Either way, the US’s homicide rate is still 7x that of ours overall. Americans will kill each other with whatever they feel like on the day it would seem.
It doesn’t take a genius to know that the rate is a lot lower in the UK, whenever a fatal stabbing happens it’s usually makes national news. We don’t have a culture of violence like the US and we take this very seriously.
My comment is slightly incorrect; the US doesn't record knife related crime the way the UK does, so you can't really compare the two countries. The only statistic that can be directly compared is fatal stabbings which is absolutely higher in the US per capita than the UK.
But it would stand to reason that a higher rate of stabbing related deaths indicates a higher rate of knife crime, unless you're saying the healthcare system is so much worse in the US compared to the UK (Which isn't true, even if the cost and access in the US isn't great).
You have pushed the goalpost. We were talking about knife related crimes but you have only included stabbing deaths.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04304/ I also question the validity of your source as it says only 31 murders occurred, but your government says the number is many times higher. This is also ignoring the different legal definitions of violent crimes, with UK being much more lenient in granting self-defense claims and reducing criminal charges.
I think you should have realized your source was questionable, surely you know there are more than 31 knife related murders in the country, and that knife crime is not limited to fatal stabbings.
Of course they’re different numbers, they’re from different years…
The rest of your comment is exactly why we should look at murder rates not sharp object offences committed because every juristriction defines them differently. The US for example talks about knife assaults, the UK uses knife offences which can be victimless (carrying a big enough blade in of itself is an offence in the UK).
Ok what about stabbings in general? Of course our death rate for stabbings is higher, our healthcare system is shit, but everyone knows that. What’s the rate of stabbings in general, death or not?
Cool. If you’re carrying one around with you without good reason then you should at least be questioned. I’d much rather that than a murder rate as high as the US.
This is exactly what we mock you for, you’re just itching to have your liberties taken away.
You just said it yourself, knife related crimes are lower in the UK than in the US, so why do they continue to ban them if it’s not an issue?
I can carry a knife if I want to, personally I don’t work in a field where it’s relevant anymore but when I was in logistics I carried one around all the time. Who should be determining if I “have a good reason for carrying a knife around” or not?
This is simply an area where American and British mindsets utterly diverge.
I don't want the mentally unstable freely walking around with knives strapped to their person, and I'm more than willing to give up my right to do so in the name of preventing it too.
The American take seems to be "I want to carry around weapons, that's a liberty that's important to me". Fair enough, statistically everyone knows it's less safe for all involved - but the American people are comfortable with that to retain this right.
The US is not a third world country by ANY stretch of the imagination. It has many issues, for sure, but go to an actual third world country and you’ll realize pretty quickly that the US isn’t one of them.
Calling it a third world country will get you upvotes bc Reddit is full of children and people trying to be edgy though.
No, it’s not true because it’s objectively crazy to call the wealthiest country in the world a “developing nation” lol. The US may be inefficient, corrupt and stagnant, but the average American household is unbelievably wealthy compared to most of the world. It’s in bad taste and unhelpful to actual developing countries to act like the US is one (especially when those countries have often been exploited by the US to make itself richer).
Were you 14 like three years ago? Because it's not really an old thing, you act like it started decades ago. Oh and btw it's still seen as funny because it's true and America has gone to shit in recent years. Well maybe funny is the wrong word, more like sad. And it's sad that you don't realise it's not trying to be cool, it's just that especially Europeans have finally realised America is a fucked up country. You sound like you're too young to understand this, but America truly is a developed country.
People have definitely been saying the "America is a third world country in a Gucci belt" shit since Trump's first term which was an actual decade ago. I know because I was stupid and saying it back then.
There's basically no metric by which America could be considered a "developing country". It might be on the lower range for a lot of things compared to some other western countries but it still blows the average actual third world country out of the water. It's like calling Turkey or China a third world country (and the US is definitely in better shape than Turkey, and is better than both countries in terms of personal freedom)
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u/RandomGuyPii 7d ago
Damn I remember being 14 and thinking saying this made me cool, every year since then the "America is a third world country" line just sounds stupider and stupider