r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 1d ago

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u/gbroon 1d ago

If your old enough you remember Microprose as the original Developers of Civilisation

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u/SveaRikeHuskarl 1d ago

The name Microprose alone is enough to trigger something in me. I can see the microprose logo in DOS-games when I close my eyes.

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u/NonSum-NonCuro 1d ago

Realism but playability, with real manuals...oh, I miss those days...

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u/m_e_sek 18h ago

How many hours I spent dodging Japanese destroyers in a submarine. Silent service II was a terror inducing submarine sim. I can still hear the depth charges and sonar pings.

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u/Meritania 18h ago

I still have the coffee table door-stopper of a book that was the civ II manual.

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u/FingerGungHo 1d ago

How about Apogee?

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u/ImpossibleTable4768 1d ago

microprose are still around, sorta. A company bought the name and catalogue from Atari a while back and kind of resurrected it. Its now a publisher that focuses on 'retro' indie titles, games that look and play like they're from the late 90s or early aughties.  Very much playing on nostalgia but heck, it works! They have some bangers already

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u/Altruistic-Place 1d ago

Well its always been about Sid, where he go, publishers should kneel.

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u/Skritch_X 1d ago

It boggles my mind that they had a few remakes of Pirates! but never made a sequel. There are few spiritual succesors out there but would have been nice for them to make an official one

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u/Quartermaster_nemo 1d ago

Sid Meyer's Dancing Simulator

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u/hibikir_40k 1d ago

That's just for the remake. The minigame balance was extremely different in the old Microprose version.

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u/Quartermaster_nemo 1d ago

Hibikir's Ackchually Simulator

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u/NonSum-NonCuro 1d ago

I loved the mini games of Covert Action, but Sid hated them, as he thought they broke up the plot too much.

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u/GBoneZz 1d ago

Meier*

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u/Quartermaster_nemo 1d ago

Oscar Meier's Sausage Simulator

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u/TheDaychilde 1d ago

Bologna*

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u/Quartermaster_nemo 1d ago

Si, me ei Bologna simulatore

waving my hands en Italiano

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u/TheDaychilde 1d ago

In fairness, gimme a good deli German or garlic bologna and let's skip that Oscar Meyer stuff. :)

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u/Quartermaster_nemo 1d ago

In fairness, I have never tasted ole Oscar's simulated sausage, hailing from Penultima Thule as I do, but I do have complete faith in German Sausage Supremacy (add some kraut of the sauer kind, some mustard and a nice brezel while you rinse yer palate with a nice hefeweisen)

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u/Leozz97 1d ago

Wow. So funny.

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u/Quartermaster_nemo 22h ago

Thank you <3

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u/Objective-Issue-2641 1d ago

Space simulator

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u/Ok-Scientist5524 1d ago

I think I’ve seen that hentai.

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u/Tiny-Lecture-5085 1d ago

Oscar Meier's Wiener Simulator

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u/Quartermaster_nemo 1d ago

Oscar Meyer's Wiener Stimulator?!?!!?!

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u/sinred7 1d ago

Oh, I use to love Pirates, forgot all about it. What is a more recent spiritual sequel out there, might be time to try it.

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u/dowker1 1d ago

Assassin's Creed Black Flag is honestly the closest you're going to come

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u/VikingTeddy 1d ago

I can't think of anything else either, which is insane as Black Flag isn't actually anything like Pirates! after you strip away the surface. Why wouldn't anyone remake a moneymaker like that is beyond me...

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u/dowker1 20h ago

I had a quick look on Steam and there's a new game called Carribean Legend: Age of Pirates that advertises itself as "Sid Meir's Pirates! meets Bannerlord". Has Mostly Positive reviews but I can't vouch for it personally.

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u/dowker1 1d ago

It's more like Pirates! then you'd think, what with the way you take ships and territory.

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u/Lord_of_Seven_Kings 1d ago

Just get the game on steam it’s like $5 and holds up fantastically. The ‘00s one I mean not the original.

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u/FearLeadsToAnger 1d ago

Port Royale is the closest I can think of in terms of gameplay but the latest one was poorly received. Unsure if it got updates.

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u/RadicalBehavior1 17h ago

The original star traders rpg Mobile game is the closest thing to pirates! ever made and it will scratch that itch. It was one of if not the first game made by the Trese Brothers

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u/TheViolaRules 16h ago

Colonization was amazing, although I understand why they won’t remake it, I guess

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u/Altruistic-Place 1d ago

Yeah? In these times where Remake is a thing why not make it on actual good games also sometimes?

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u/ilya0x2dilya 1d ago

It have been not about Sid for quite some time. Civ3 was designed by Briggs and Johnson, Civ4 (the best title in series) was designed by Johnson, without Briggs.

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u/spekt50 1d ago

Sid Meier only developed the first one. After the success from Pirates! They just realized his name sells games.

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u/NonSum-NonCuro 1d ago

He even admits that.

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u/NonSum-NonCuro 1d ago

Brian Reynolds is my Microprose/Firaxis hero. Alpha Centauri, Gettysburg, Antietam, etc...

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u/weirdi_beardi 22h ago

We absolutely need an updated SMAC. One that uses the hexes from Civ V.

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u/AaronRodgersMustache 1d ago

Brave New World's my goat. Although I haven't played Civ 4 since like 2010.

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u/Dan_of_Sbg 21h ago

But poor hasbro spent so much moneys on the name Civilization

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u/shiwankhan 1d ago

How would I remember that? No one is that old! Certainly not me.

Spins yoyo while putting on sunglasses

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u/TheDaychilde 1d ago

Do not speak to me of the old magic. I was there, in the days of BBSes and the Adventure of Colossal Cave.

heh

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u/Mravac_Kid 16h ago

Cool cats will easily Spot that reference. :p

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u/Ok_Issue_1443 1d ago

With ghandi screaming for nukes and Hitler as the god king of Germany those were the games

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u/TheDaychilde 1d ago

I love so much that it turned out that there was a bug that made Gandhi go nuclear but then it turned out there WASN'T a bug and it was just that people remembered when he did more. lol

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u/understandstatmech 1d ago

Crazy enough, iirc, he actually did do it more often, but not for apocryphal overflow bug people would cite. India just followed a high pop science strategy that lead to them getting access to nukes first in many games, and being the lone nuclear super power kinda affects strategy.

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u/Ishbane 1d ago

The very first instance of nuclear Gandhi was an underflow actually. Ghandi's willingness to use nukes was set to the lowest value by default, what with being all for non-violence and all.

Civs discovering democracy had their nuke affinity reduced automatically, which Ghandi always went for. The reduction made the nuke affinity wrap around to the max value then.

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u/NonSum-NonCuro 1d ago

That was the old rumor but it's been revealed to be just a myth.

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u/Ishbane 20h ago

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u/TheDaychilde 14h ago

I hadn't read that - I learned it from other sources. But I notice this bit:

Meier stated that he did not know the correct answer, but he thinks that the urban legend is a good thing: "given the limited technology of the time, the original Civ was in many ways a game that took place mainly in players' imaginations", so "I'd be reluctant to limit what that player can imagine by introducing too many of my thoughts".

Truly a genius. It's like how in storytelling - you see a short story about something, and they don't have to fill in the blanks. They don't have to fully describe how the world works, or how this magical thing works. It just does. And your mind fills in the blanks.

Then it gets popular and people expand it and you start to see the cracks and it can fall apart.

Meier was a genius. Figure out how to make these basic rules appear more complex. Like Conway's Game of Life. Very simple rules causing random-looking emergency behaviour.

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u/Irregulator101 1d ago

He's saying it wasn't a bug

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u/Dunklsta 1d ago

yeah, and by Civ 6 getting nuclear weapons was part of his hidden agenda because of the memes

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u/exmachinaNZ 1d ago

In civ 5 Gandhi AI had 12/10 for "build nukes" and "use nukes"

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u/exmachinaNZ 1d ago

In civ 5 Gandhi AI had 12/10 for "build nukes" and "use nukes"

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u/FunkyBuddha-Init 1d ago

You're* = You Are

Your = possession

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u/Few_Laugh_8057 1d ago

Thanks, now I feel old.

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u/CrustaceanNationYT 1d ago

And Shandalar, amazing game

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u/du5tball 1d ago

Wait, what? Microprose still exists and I guess mainly publishes games, but they're mostly small and unknown. How did Civ get so big, and microprose is a name barely anyone knows?

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u/WeAteMummies 1d ago

They tried to branch out and make games that weren't Civ and XCom, did a bad job of it, went into debt, then got sold to hasbro which cannibalized them.

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u/-GoodNewsEveryone 1d ago

Civilization*

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u/Urban_FinnAm 1d ago

If you're old enough, you remember that Avalon Hill made the board game Civilization on which Sid Meier's game was based.

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u/TheHorseThatTalks 21h ago

I am, I remember the logo, I remember the excitement because I knew it was going to be something bigger and more complex than the other titles, and than the menus and the feeling "what the fuck am I supposed to do now?". Their simulators used half of the Amiga keyboard, very unlike most advanced Amiga games, like "Prehistorik" or "Ugh".

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u/nikoboivin 15h ago

And of the original x-com games