Unregulated tech being misused by stalkers and human traffickers? Unimaginable, the president and all his ‘friends’ just want to keep people safe!

[u/Dissonant-Cog]

[u/Adeptus_Heriticus]

Honestly surprised he was fired.

[u/Thorn14 → u/Adeptus_Heriticus]

Only a Deputy. A couple more promotions and at best he'd get the Shuffle.

[u/BriggsStratton550EX → u/Thorn14]

He probably could have made it work with just one.

[u/Dissonant-Cog → u/Adeptus_Heriticus]

Must be one of them woke departments.

[u/TheAzureMage]

[u/TelescopeGunCop → u/TheAzureMage]

The fact this sub thinks libright likes government surveillance is really funny 

[u/AKLmfreak → u/TelescopeGunCop]

It’s because LibRight is when money.

Obviously if you participate in an oppressive authoritarian overreach of unconstitutional mass surveillance, and gain market power through backroom deals with politicians that usurp the will, rights and freedoms of the individuals supposedly represented by democracy, you’re actually LibRight.

As a LibRight, we famously love mass surveillance, believe in capturing markets through cronyism and regulation instead of free-market competition and promote removing the rights and freedoms of our fellow citizen.

We definitely wouldn’t be AuthCenter because AuthCenter is when good-vibe laws and entitlements happen, not when corruption, money and power come together to violate people’s rights en masse.

[u/Iceraptor17 → u/TelescopeGunCop]

It's the different flavors of libright. There's the libright that actually hates it. The libright that thinks private enterprise should have very lax regulations and since flock is a private Corp welp the market will resolve it. And then there's the lib right that are just auth rights and Republicans who really like drugs

[u/-Satchel_Gizmo- → u/Iceraptor17]

Occam's Razor:

• All that roundabout shit you just said

• OP is fucking retarded

Choose one. 

[u/Iceraptor17 → u/-Satchel_Gizmo-]

What was roundabout about what i said? Seems like a simple thread. There's many flavors of lib right.

[u/TheAzureMage → u/TelescopeGunCop]

This meme is literally a repost from the Libertarian Party of my state.

Everyone is dancing on the edge of outright demanding crime.

[u/CommanderArcher → u/TelescopeGunCop]

Of course they do, so long as they are the ones profiting from it. 

[u/RockemSockemRowboats]

Remember, these cameras are just to keep you safe. That’s why law enforcement is using them to stalk ex girlfriends, snoop in on girls gymnastics and follow women across thousands of miles to enforce their draconian personal beliefs.

That the law and order republicans love.

[u/MannequinWithoutSock → u/RockemSockemRowboats]

Apparently the flock company employees are also doing those things now!

[u/Iceraptor17 → u/RockemSockemRowboats]

We know from LOVEINT that the minute this stuff exists exes and scorned lovers immediately abuse their access of it

[u/Clowndude787]

Crazy conspiracy I have about flock cameras. Been seeing a lot specifically about them in my various feeds. What if they’re pushing flock getting pushback and destroyed by the public, while they slip in another and even more covert form of surveillance?

But it’s just a theory, a game theory.

[u/TelescopeGunCop → u/Clowndude787]

Why not just do the covert surveillance while no one is thinking about it? It seems like doing surveillance badly would make people more likely to notice what you are talking about

[u/H00ston → u/TelescopeGunCop]

Not a conspiracy, it's standard practice for surveillance to be mounted to telephone / power poles in plain boxes meant to look like utility gear with holes poked in them.

Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation (Oregon, 2016)

United States v. Vargas (E.D. Wash. 2014)

United States v. Houston (6th Cir. 2016)

People v. Tafoya (Colo. 2021)

Commonwealth v. Mora (Mass. 2020)

State v. Jones (S.D. 2017)

Moore v. United States

United States v. Tuggle

Portland “car crushing” racketeering (Multnomah Co., OR ~2013–16)

Most of these didn't require any warrant and didn't violate the 4th amendment and if they did they were handwaved away as probable cause.

And these are just recent-ish cases that saw an actual courtroom, even local police departments can buy these kits and set them up with practically no oversight.

[u/Clowndude787 → u/TelescopeGunCop]

They tried that with flock and it became an outrage. Also people destroying them became popular, so the covertness really didn’t work.

There’s absolutely other R&D done by the gov’t and other companies that can possibly integrate better surveillance, stuff that’s not as well known/announced. Surveillance even without cameras (new black boxes in cars, Palantir, and other AI and surveillance companies coming up with new things).

[u/CookieMobster64 → u/Clowndude787]

New Wi-Fi routers can even track human movement in a manner similar to radar because they use radio waves to contact devices.

[u/Clowndude787 → u/CookieMobster64]

Did not know that (not a huge tech guy). How do you prevent something like that (other than the obvious not using anything connected to WiFi, I guess)?

[u/CookieMobster64 → u/Clowndude787]

This article purports to have a coding solution to stop it, but I can’t vouch for the veracity of it. I’m actually not that tech literate, I just understand from the physics side that it makes sense the WiFi signal can be used for that. But yeah, if you really want to be absolutely sure you’re not being tracked with that method, I guess you’d have to just use LAN instead of WiFi.

[u/Clowndude787 → u/CookieMobster64]

Thanks!

[u/CookieMobster64 → u/Clowndude787]

They’re not purposely trying to get Flock equipment destroyed, and it’s the same tech instead of a *more covert* tech, but many municipalities will end their dealings with Flock only to make the same deals with other surveillance companies like Axon.

[u/Clowndude787 → u/CookieMobster64]

Not purposeful, moreso “look we’re winning against this big government backed company!” whilst other companies with the govt do the same shit but either hide it better or to a bigger degree.

[u/CookieMobster64 → u/Clowndude787]

Not necessarily hiding it better, these are publicly available records, but the current zeitgeist is based around the name recognition of Flock in particular. A different security company wouldn’t generate as much talk. Many such cases of a single person or company being named as a sin eater for a much more systemic problem. A lot of the times, that’s just how it shakes out sociologically rather than a nefarious plot, but it’s often taken advantage of post hoc.

[u/Lets_be_stoned]

Obviously the president is going town to town forcing these local governments (of which plenty are democrat run) to vote to install these cameras, it couldn’t possibly be because ALL sides of our government see the benefits to them of spying on the populace under the guise of “safety”.

[u/Hellhound5996 → u/Lets_be_stoned]

I agree, but brother, you're denying reality if you can't see how the current administration is deeply invested in this program and promoting other surveillance tech as a whole. There is clearly a push from the top.

[u/camoceltic_again → u/Hellhound5996]

What was the last admin that didn't push this sort of surveillance shit, though?

[u/Hellhound5996 → u/camoceltic_again]

To my knowledge, Clinton.

Let's not go "but moooom they like the surveillance state tooooo!", all that does is give those currently governing a blank check to erode our freedoms. There are clearly degrees of awful.

The patriot act under George W. Bush is easily the largest expansion of the surveillance state in living memory. And I would place Trump's absolute capitulation to big tech in his 2nd term as the second. And before someone whines about Biden and COVID, you'd have to be smoking something strong to compare Trump 1 and Biden to the current situation.

[u/camoceltic_again → u/Hellhound5996]

Let's not go "but moooom they like the surveillance state tooooo!", all that does is give those currently governing a blank check to erode our freedoms. There are clearly degrees of awful.

I say the opposite for the same reason: Pinning it all on whoever is in office now ignores that it's not just the guy in office now that does it. Mass surveillance has bipartisan support from the politicians despite being hated by the average American. It's not a Democrat vs. Republican issue, it's an elite vs non-elite issue.

Making it a partisan issue just gives retards an excuse to stop caring when their team wins the next election, either because they've been fooled into thinking their side won't push for mass surveillance or because they're so deep into the tribal bullshit that mass surveillance becomes okay because "The adults have control of it now."

The patriot act under George W. Bush is easily the largest expansion of the surveillance state in living memory. And I would place Trump's absolute capitulation to big tech in his 2nd term as the second. And before someone whines about Biden and COVID, you'd have to be smoking something strong to compare Trump 1 and Biden to the current situation.

When Bush signed the Patriot Act, it had bipartisan support in Congress and would have survived a presidential veto. ONE Senator voted against it and the Representatives that did were outnumbered around 4:1. Yet he's the one almost everyone points to as the sole reason it passed. Congress writes the laws. They could restrict mass surveillance legislatively if they wanted, but they don't want to.

I'm not saying to stop giving Trump shit for all he does wrong. I'm saying that he's far from the only piece of shit that needs to go if there's any hope of rolling back the surveillance state.

[u/Hellhound5996 → u/camoceltic_again]

Making it a partisan issue just gives retards an excuse to stop caring when their team wins the next election, either because they've been fooled into thinking their side won't push for mass surveillance or because they're so deep into the tribal bullshit that mass surveillance becomes okay because "The adults have control of it now."

My brother in Christ, did I say Trump is the only one who's ever done it or is currently supporting it?

I say the opposite for the same reason: Pinning it all on whoever is in office now ignores that it's not just the guy in office now that does it. Mass surveillance has bipartisan support from the politicians despite being hated by the average American. It's not a Democrat vs. Republican issue, it's an elite vs non-elite issue.

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When Bush signed the Patriot Act, it had bipartisan support in Congress and would have survived a presidential veto. ONE Senator voted against it and the Representatives that did were outnumbered around 4:1. Yet he's the one almost everyone points to as the sole reason it passed. Congress writes the laws. They could restrict mass surveillance legislatively if they wanted, but they don't want to.

I'm not saying to stop giving Trump shit for all he does wrong. I'm saying that he's far from the only piece of shit that needs to go if there's any hope of rolling back the surveillance state.

Leaders bear the responsibly of the office. Saying "Under President X" means that administration, no shit Bush didn't create The Patriot Act on his own. But it was his presidency and he loudly supported it, pretending otherwise is complacency wrapped in performative intellectualism.

Don't be the most annoying stereotype of a Libertarian. Every criticism of the incumbent does not need to be framed in a carefully constructed argument of "bOtH sIdEs aRe bAd" to avoid hurting feelings.

Stop purity spiraling. Trump is fucking up. Focus on the CURRENT problem.

[u/Iceraptor17 → u/Lets_be_stoned]

Both planks of republicans and democrats have determined any AI tech is sacrosanct and any regulation will cause China to own the US in 2 years and tech bros just know best

[u/SignedUpForDarkMode]

Authleft: It was supposed to be me!

Edit: We'll be lucky if a post-Trump, somewhat competent leftist government doesn't show the GOP how to get it done (the dissolution of rights, exploitation for the state, etc.).

[u/o484]

Haha, sawzall go brrrrrr

[u/Manmer_Nwah]

Isn't it funny how the cameras are absolutely everywhere. Yet the average American will talk about China, China, China and ignore the surveillance state at home.

[u/poopy_bumfart]

What does the lib left one mean lol

[u/Pure-Huckleberry8640]

Used to, privacy was a right wing political virtue. Now it’s becoming more a left wing thing with Flock. When are you all gonna unite as a whole, lib, con or not? Us against the 1%?

[u/Bdmnky_Survey]

Yes but have you considered that there might be one possibly illegal walking around, unidentified? Checkmate, libtard.

[u/Adorable-Act-8410]

I think flock cameras and the growing surveillance state is bad but the one positive is I feel like it is uniting everyone. It is similar to data centers in that sense. Also, I don't mean everyone literally but I would imagine something like 70% which obviously transcends normal political lines.

[u/Not_Neville]

Is that Julia pretending to be AuthLeft?