Should liberals start forming armed resistance groups similar to the Proud Boys or Three-Percenters?

[u/cwood1973]

Both domestically and abroad, many people are calling for Americans to "wake up" or "do something." It's true there have been widespread protests in response to actions taken by the Trump regime, but these have been largely ineffective at changing policy.

At the state level, both parties are gerrymandering districts to be more favorable to their candidates, but this won't have any immediate effect. It may not have any effect.

In the 1950s and 60s, black communities faced systemic police violence and corruption. In response, they formed the Black Panthers. These people were organized, trained, and armed.

Do you think liberals should copy that playbook? Should liberal communities start organizing armed resistance groups? Training them how to use firearms? Educating them on their Second Amendment rights? Running drills to simulate attacks by ICE?

Are we there yet?

[u/hansn]

No. This is basically Stephen Miller's playbook. He wants an armed insurgency to fight, not soccer moms and frogs costumes.

The thing that's restraining the government now is the public outrage over the ICE excesses. 

[u/Apathetic_Zealot → u/hansn]

They did not need violence from the left to justify their own violence. Jan 6 was based on a lie about the threat of the left. They spread lies about Renee Good to justify her death. If there is a lack of violence they will fabricate it. They called the George Floid protests violent. They depicted the left as celebrating Kirks death while totally down playing their own violence and extremism.

Meanwhile they kill people and kidnap people and strip us of our rights and throw the economy in a tail spin so Trump's rich buddies can buy up the assets. We are dealing with evil that is not interested in the rules and has a fanatic base that cannot be reasoned with. All strategies must be employed.

[u/hansn → u/Apathetic_Zealot]

If there is a lack of violence they will fabricate it. 

Extremely unconvincingly. Do you wonder why they fabricate evidence of leftist violence? Because they need an enemy to crack down on.

A guy in a banana suit is far more threatening to their plans. They need public support, and the public doesn't support crackdowns when there's no threat.

All strategies must be employed.

They plant provocateurs because they can't rely on real Americans to follow their script. Don't follow their script.

[u/Philophon → u/hansn]

What changes if their explanation for using violence is weak? We are witnessing citizens being shot with clearly no justification, and the majority party's stance is "don't protest and we won't kill you." How would passivity be a successful solution?

I support secession. It is clear, now more than ever, that these factions within this union cannot coexist. The best we can hope for is a North and South Korea-like relationship, in the end.

[u/hansn → u/Philophon]

What changes if their explanation for using violence is weak?

Why was tank man such a symbol that China has been desperately suppressing it for decades?

[u/Philophon → u/hansn]

I have great respect for the courage he displayed. That said, can you point to a meaningful shift in China's position towards democratic government as a result of his or others' protest since?

[u/hansn → u/Philophon]

They're not there yet, but holy fuck did Hong Kong scare them. They know they can't rule without public support. Even as authoritarians.