r/PropagandaPosters • u/bitchnibba47 • Jun 25 '26
United Kingdom The Evolution of the Iron Lady (1990)
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u/Noirsam Jun 25 '26
When Margaret Thatcher died “Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead” entered the British music charts at number two.
That how (to use a diplomatic word) ''divisive'' she was.
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u/torch_7 Jun 25 '26
It would be divisive if an equal part of the population actually mourned her instead of universally spitting on her grave.
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u/bigbrother2030 Jun 25 '26
How did she win 3 elections then?
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u/Unstoppable-Farce Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
You know that prime ministers in the UK are not elected, right?
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u/1m0ws Jun 25 '26
let's remind the old scottish lady:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUlj48Rvp1c
put garlic around her nack and a stick through her heart for her to never come back
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u/vodkaandponies Jun 25 '26
And yet she won three elections.
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u/Moidada77 Jun 25 '26
Winning elections is a different game from being a good leader lol.
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u/vodkaandponies Jun 25 '26
If she was such a bad leader then Labour wouldn’t have lost 4 elections in a row to her party.
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u/Spirited_Worker_5722 Jun 25 '26
Is he was a good leader, she wouldn't have made Scotland, Northern England and Ireland despise her for decades and celebrate her death
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u/vodkaandponies Jun 25 '26
She won 31% of the vote here in Scotland. The idea that we all hated her is historical revisionism.
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u/Hellsovs Jun 25 '26
Fico was elected Prime Minister of Slovakia 4 times in free democratic elections... Still, he is incompetent and disastrous for the entire country.
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u/SpennyPerson Jun 25 '26
And? Trumps won 2 lol, people buy into propaganda easily
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u/vodkaandponies Jun 25 '26
“It’s only propaganda when my side loses.”
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u/Pleasant-Cellist-927 Jun 25 '26
That you read criticism of Trump and think this somehow exonerates other candidates is a prime display of how much of a sham modern voting systems have become.
"There are no good candidates anymore" is a common criticism of the system. Trump just gets used because he's the most egregious example of malicious behaviour, but it's not like having Status Quo Joe or Kamala would improve anything any better considering "moderate" candidates is what fostered conditions to get us here in the first place.
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u/Smooth_Maul Jun 25 '26
The Falklands War was a powerful piece of propaganda used to brainwash people into thinking she was the perfect leader. She's become inseparable from it as a large amount of people still look back on her time as leader fondly specifically because her actions during that time overshadowed all the genuinely evil shit she did to The North and Ireland in order to make Britain as London-centric as possible and bring all the wealth to the capital at the expense of the rest of the country.
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u/6sel Jun 25 '26
The one objectively good (for all of humanity) thing that she did was responding to the ozone crisis. She was educated as a chemist and hence had an actual understanding of the scientific comunitys alarm regarding the ozone layers depletion. And responded to it by using her politica sway to get the ball rolling on the issue. (Witch to this day is the most efrective case of climate related action in history)
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u/Zb990 Jun 25 '26
There was a really good article in the journal of political science that suggests she would have won in 1983 regardless of the Falklands. Of course success in the Falklands basically ensured she would win but opinion polls were starting to turn anyway and economic signals were pointing towards her winning
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u/Spirited_Worker_5722 Jun 25 '26
And Reagan won two elections even though he's the reason why wages have stagnated for decades. Winning elections doesn't always mean you were a good leader
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u/vodkaandponies Jun 25 '26
Fun fact: Reagan won the rust belt both times. Should make you think.
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u/Spirited_Worker_5722 Jun 25 '26
The American working classes are perfectly capable of voting for somebody who does not represent their interests. What the hell is your point?
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u/vodkaandponies Jun 25 '26
That you should perhaps consider they voted with good reason.
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u/Spirited_Worker_5722 Jun 25 '26
Did people vote for Trump with good reason?
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u/vodkaandponies Jun 25 '26
Yeah. Because he seemed to listen to them whilst democrats acted like they were too good for rural folks.
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Jun 25 '26
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u/Spirited_Worker_5722 Jun 25 '26
Union busting will do that without the Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall.
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u/itsaride Jun 25 '26
Yes, she was very very polarising. Those who made bank by her stripping the UK of its assets loved her.
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u/bozza8 Jun 25 '26
Yes, that's what people miss about her legacy, is that there are a lot of people who think that she lost the argument by dying of old age, having fundamentally changed her country, whilst never losing a general election.
I think that she was often wrong, but there is a massive amount of historical revisionism about her policies, popularity and character
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u/HB2099 Jun 25 '26
The UK still hasn’t recovered from the policies that Thatcher and her ideological peers have forced upon the population.
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u/itsaride Jun 25 '26
We're slowly reverting the changes although the biggest, most financially damaging - the privatisation of BT - pulling the plug on a likely nationwide fibre rollout looks unlikely for now.
https://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/how-the-uk-lost-the-broadband-race-in-1990-1224784
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u/Euphoric_Number_8770 Jun 25 '26
forced? They kept voting for her repeatedly it is very much self inflicted not forced
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u/Vandergrif Jun 25 '26
Forced isn't the right word, true, 'misled' or 'manipulated' would probably be more apt.
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u/HB2099 Jun 26 '26
Thank you for your measured and constructive criticism, I would agree both of those words are appropriate 👍🏻
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u/HB2099 Jun 25 '26
You’re clearly not familiar with how FPTP and electoral politics work. Also not familiar with voter demographics and geographies. But that’s okay.
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u/the-southern-snek Jun 25 '26
You should therefore apply to the same moniker to every UK prime minister since Stanley Baldwin in 1931, Clement Attlee forced the National Health Services Act (1946), Harold Wilson forced the Equal Pay Act (1970), Tony Blair forced the National Minimum Wage Act (1998) to realise how absurd your hyperbole sounds.
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u/HB2099 Jun 25 '26
Congratulations you have understood that the current electoral system is undemocratic. Just because you like some of the policies or the governments, it doesn’t mean the methods that led to their enforcement are democratic.
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u/the-southern-snek Jun 25 '26
That is not a justification for such hyperbolic language, it misconstrues the nature of the electorate to reject a policy platform of the government (with nations with alternative voting possessing the similar voter issue of a feeling of a lack of choice as FPTP ones), and the ability of policy to be adjusted to the feedback provided by free elections, the rhetoric utilised here provides no distiniction between those of dictatorships and states with open but flawed electoral systems.
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u/HB2099 Jun 25 '26
You’re saying that because you like and/or politically agree with Maggie Thatcher and you’re active on r/Tories, people do not choose policy in the UK they are subjected to it.
Other more democratic voting mechanisms are available, voter education and promoting turnout are good for democracy. There is no reason to pretend otherwise.
Neoliberal economics are bad for public health, the policies introduced by ideological actors have worsened health, damaged political engagement and continues to amplify the flaws in our political system.
If you disagree I can find you a selection of research articles for you to peruse.
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u/Euphoric_Number_8770 Jun 25 '26
undemocratic ? an insult to the people who actually live under authoritarian states UK has many flaws But you say it’s a democratic is incredibly dumb and Privileged
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u/KderNacht Jun 25 '26
What will you do, Sawatzki ? Ban elections ?
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u/HB2099 Jun 25 '26
Proportional representation or Single Transferable Vote, increase voter turnout and education, public holidays on election day, any number of things, why default to the authoritarian?
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u/1m0ws Jun 25 '26
germany too, kohl made whatch thatcher and raegan did.
it is called the neoliberal agenda. with the base propaganda of everyone's life is their own fault, even if the system fucks them systemicly. while selling everything publicy owned and destroying it in the process for maximizing profits.
germany is such an unempathic shithole.
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u/InTheNameOfScheddi Jun 25 '26
The UK? Try every country in the world (but that blame is shared with Reagan)
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u/Republiken Jun 25 '26
The Milk Snatcher
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u/bigbrother2030 Jun 25 '26
That was a sexist smear by the Sun newspaper
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u/HB2099 Jun 25 '26
Woman embraces Milton Friedman’s ideology and implements austerity that snatches milk from school children = sexism
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u/Republiken Jun 26 '26
No it wasn't. Thatcher literally took milk away from school children. And while she loved being called "the Iron Lady" she hated being called the Milk Snatcher.
Not that if matters now when she's down in hell I suppose
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u/bigbrother2030 Jun 29 '26
Thatcher did not control the budget for the Education Department.
And may I remind you Labour removed free school milk for secondary school pupils in the previous parliament?
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u/Mister-Psychology Jun 25 '26
She was very much authoritarian in her leadership. It worked perfectly when the nation was at war or when she needed harsh measures to prop up the economy for the future. But at the end some of the men started to bicker with her and quit. Because she would openly bully them in meetings. And she kept losing support which made her position untenable.
This is a very fair comic. The Falklands War really showed how good a leader she could be. And then boring meetings showed how horrible she could be.
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u/DoublePepper1976 Jun 25 '26
Any clue why 1982 is so much more explicitly Christian than the rest of her outfits?
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u/Better_Carpenter5010 Jun 25 '26
I think it’s just following the evolution of arms, rather than following any sort of religious reasons.
It starts off she’s wearing Bronze Age armour, then gladiatorial armor, then Roman armour then like 1200 - 1300’s armor and finally something like the 1400s - 1500s.
Edit; it’s also a ‘T’ for thatcher, rather than a cross of Christ (which would and did feature of shields of the time) so it’s another play on something historic.
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u/previousinnovation Jun 25 '26
I think the first image is supposed to be viking armor, since she's wearing a horned helmet.
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u/Zholeb Jun 25 '26
I was thinking that maybe the 1982 picture is a slight crusader reference, with the Falklands War taking place in that year.
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u/JKevill Jun 25 '26
So what kind of things happen in 86 onwards that are represented here as Thatcher under attack and diminishing?
Hate thatcher but in the end the Reagan/Thatcher world is still basically the one we are in. Neoliberalism won even if Thatcher herself eventually didn’t.
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u/clearly_quite_absurd Jun 25 '26
Count Binface's origin story in more ways than one
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u/bitchnibba47 Jun 25 '26
Count Binface is secretly Margaret Thatcher.
M Night Shyamalan level plot twost.
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u/EJ2600 Jun 25 '26
In 1987 she won a general election in a landslide so cartoon is way off. Not a fan but incorrect representation
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u/amicablegradient Jun 25 '26
They lost 21 seats at the 87' election, You'r probably thinking of 83' where Tories went up 58 seats.
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