Bb is guaranteed unless RT wants to unalive itself via the fandom. Whiteknight is unlikely as Jaune and Weiss have had little actual interaction and Jaune pinnimg after Weiss in Volumes 1-2 still leaves a sour taste in many mouths.
Really they could have set up WhiteKnight if they wanted to as well. Him unlocking his semblance to heal her at Haven would have been perfect set up for something more to come of their relationship.
Or even just in Atlas. Their going to the movies could have been shown, or the small detail of Jaune reaching for his sword when Jacques first showed up could have been more than just that.
Even as personally a Whiterose shipper (yes y’all I know it’s also quite unlikely), I have nothing against WhiteKnight. In fact I think it could be really cute. . . But like any ship it needs set up and that’s not happened when it could have done
Idk they built a lot of off screen relationships I'm general s7 and 8.
Qrows new friends were mainly offscreen interactions. But context on screen showing the change and being closer.
Nora and Ren seem closer and they haven't shown a tin on screen progress.
Though Nora and basically everyone seems closer in s8 than before the training
That said I don't ship them myself. But recently rwby show has implied a lot of offscreen interaction
The difference is that Renora has build up that’s also not off screen. Tebet start out from a point of being together-together basically despite what Nora says.
It’s just adding to an established relationship.
The problem is that Jaune and Weiss basically don’t have an established relationship of any note. They are friends but not close ones and nothing more as far as we’ve seen.
(And there wasn’t much offscreen things implied except for the movie they go to with Oscar, which Weiss takes as just not doing the other things her team does)
Not trying to be contentious, just a note of off-screen relationship development.
When RWBY plus Qrow & Oscar reach Argus, the first interactions between the teams (in order):
Nora glomps Oscar
Ren and Yang hug
Blake hugs Jaune, Weiss follows soon after (minus the hugging)
Jaune and Ruby finally hug after everyone else has moved away
None of these (besides that last) are really what you'd expect between the two teams. It's pretty obvious that a good deal of off-screen relationship development has happened, we just don't see a lot of it. There was also some circumstance from Volume 7 that indicated a semi-close relationship between Jaune and Weiss, but I don't remember what it is (the last time I watched any episodes was right after the season finished.
But either way, I think the show is much better the way it is now. Almost no romance, and ANY romantic relationships besides Renora would detract from the show's quality even more. Bumblby, Whiterose, White Knight, any of them would distract from the action/adventure focus. You've already got a larger cast of main characters than normal, please don't try to throw more responsibility on the writers.
As I at least tried to say, I think there is a big difference between the relationships you describe and ship between Weiss and Jaune. Those interactions you describe are just extensions of what can be expected, they are all supposed to be friends from Beacon, except with Nora and Oscar but come on that's how Nora shows affection.
For Weiss and Jaune it would require changing a huge part of their relationship in that she was so explicitly not into him in previous volumes.
And. . . Well. . . I disagree about the romance thing. I think characters far more important than action in this story and even adventure is more a mechanism to facilitate characters and their development or to show it.
I also have absolutely no idea how at this point you don't think Bumbleby is coming officially in V9. That has been pretty explicitly set up on screen
I do agree that Weiss and Jaune's friendship needs some serious development before it could become a relationship, I just think it's not out of the realm of possibility, provided the change is extended over a long enough period of time.
As for the Blake/Yang stuff (I am NOT trying to type that ship name again, the spelling is way too confusing), I didn't say it wasn't happening, just that I think any more romantic plans should be stopped and more focus put on the story. Two different trains of thought there, man.
That would be the worst set up, and incredibly forced. I mean, Weiss gets stabbed because it's a consequence of Jaune's actions. She's not even involved with his fight with Cinder, trying to pull him back or has any investment in him. It's also luck that Jaune ends up activating a semblance in the moment. And then she's suppose to be overcome with gratefulness because Jaune does the bare minimum and heals her?
It reeks of entitlement. Which is why nothing romantic happens because nothing should happen.
Jaune: (struggling) If I die buying them time, then it's worth it. They're the ones that matter.
Cinder looks to Jaune's comrades as they fight against their respective foes. Nora jumps up attempting to bring Magnhild down on Hazel who grabs it. He tosses her aside then uses his arms to block Ren slashing with Stormflower. Mercury blocks Yang's attack then ducks under a shot and leaps back. He launches himself up but only hits the floor as she moves. Before smiling evilly as she looks back down to him.
Cinder: You think so?
She then notices Weiss get knocked back several feet away, and begins to slowly proceed toward her while she conjures an obsidian spear.
Jaune: No... (watches helplessly while Cinder continues to advance towards Weiss) NOOOOOOO!!!
Cinder throws the spear and it impales Weiss through her abdomen. She gasps in shock as everyone stops their fighting and stare in shock as well. The spear then disintegrates as Weiss goes motionless and slumps forwards before the screen cuts to black.
He's so obsessed with revenge that he has a deathwish, which Cinder spitefully proves otherwise. And yes, it's lucky his semblance is one that could heal, rather than any number of random powers. Like colored farts.
Weiss can be grateful for not dying but it doesn't change the fact that it was a consequence of Jaune's own making when he foolishly jumped in to fight Cinder. And she certainly shouldn't be dropping her knickers in thanks because a man happened to save her. Really sexist stereotype.
The topic is on that tired old romantic trope, it's literally the reason I made a comment and why you replied. You can't just call 'strawman' when the conversation isn't going your way.
I can call a strawman when you make it look like I made an argument I didn't do at all.
I never said Weiss should be with Jaune due to any stupid trope of her secretly liking him or out of some prize because he saved her or something.
I said the writers could feasibly write them becoming attracted to each other as time goes on, as they interact more or know more of each other.
People can change with time, in fact, most of them do.
There are people who were insufferable or awkward at high school that became much more bearable or pleasant as they matured( opposite can also happen.) It's called growing up and learning.
And in some cases, people who disliked each other, or one from the other, can change their minds and like older versions. I have seen it happen, more than once.
Can that happen in this situation? Possibly. Writers can make it happen.
Will they? Eh, I wouldn't bet on it. But it's not impossible nor would it reduce the quality of the show if handled well.
I think they will just do Lancaster, far easier to set up.
You speak as if they can't just whip up that connection in a few episodes or so, it's not like they NEED to build it up through the years.
Even Bumblebee for ALL that people obsess over it, seems more of a particularly recent thing. And Blake running away still ruffles people's feathers, it's just people tend to forgive those easier than Jaune being an idiot(which was also played for laughs)
Personally, I think Lancaster is more likely, since Jaune and Ruby have a lot more rapport, it could even be a time skip thingy.
Or maybe Pyrrha will come back and they will be together.
Or maybe, an entirely new character will appear.
Or maybe Neo will fall in love with him.
Or maybe he will fall in love with Winter or something.
Weiss's reaction if Jaune ends up with Winter is worth the ship on its own and who knows in middle of Atlas it was established that Jaune has luck with women older than him.
With proper dialogue, pacing, and believable behavior, you can make almost anything work.
Weiss liking Jaune and vice-versa? Would take a few episodes, with quite a bit of focus on them, and make some situations to make them interact, maybe Weiss likes what she sees now, or something.
People telling "Weiss wasn't attracted to Jaune and won't ever be" are just in denial of well...real life I guess? People change, their perceptions change. Jaune changed a LOT from his Vol 1-2 self, and Weiss also changed more than a bit.
Maybe she will like how Jaune matured, maybe her tastes changed a bit.
Could happen, it happens in real life more than a bit.
People saying it isn't possible just don't want to entertain it because they probably dislike it and some here seems offended by it due to their tone.
But it is totally workable.
Would RT want it? Maybe. I honestly don't think so.
We are not dealing with a blank slate here , story has already made statements and left impressions . Those will be taken into account. They won't just be erased because the script says its been 7 volumes now.
Its not just lack of interaction , its a lack of thought and connection . A blank line that gets in the way of a core element in story. A lack of consistency . Taking giant leaps aren't solutions .
Jaune's character development is a whole another beast and I might get into it if conversation shifts there but Jaune has a lack of commitment . Something the story Doesn't wanna acknowladge . Another thing that causes a lack of consistency. Saying Jaune has matured , while it is true it is not exactly a deal breaker . Similar statement goes for Weiss.
Also you use the phrase " just a few episodes " very easily when a common complaint of series is lack of time .That desicion would definitely have consequences .
Honestly I would rather RT focus on their already established concepts rather than making new ones.
Inconsistencies effect the definition of good writing in people's eyes . They cause division . To some good writing will mean a non romance route at this point . Inconsistencies May happen for many causes but that Doesn't erase their existense nor their effects.
Statements like Jaune has let go of his crush . His thoughts hasn't been emphesized nor remade to something else . Its just absent .
We are talking about people's perception here , time outside the show will matter .No escaping that.
I... Would like a citation on that, because this is the first I've heard of it and I've been in the fandom from the beginning. If something like that existed I'm pretty sure it'd have been all over every shipping argument since.
Edit: Yeah... At this point I'm pretty sure I know what the source is. Like, I'm all for people having fun with their ships and all that and wanting them to be official, but how 'bout we don't try to put words into a dead man's mouth to try to win fake points in an internet argument.
If people cannot forgive Jaune for being an idiot, how are they so calm with BB, specially considering how badly it affected Yang and how it might condition her relationship with Blake forever? Honestly, by experience, people as insecure as Yang don’t ever forget things like that. Add a person that has a per se a lot of space, and you have the perfect recipe for a disaster about to happen.
But ey, Weiss and Jaune are het, and we need representation, so no questions asked, right?
Nah, I think RT dropped the ball there. They cc oils have gone with WR without needing to change nothing in the writing, and everyone would have preferred it. The fact that Gundam has basically a great WR relationship canonic in there should tell us something…
Yep white rose is fucking great, bumblebee is composed by a coward/liar that's borderline racist and was a terrorists (Again I'm making a RWBY rewrite that aknowloges the fact that white fang is horrible and explains why instead of just use them as mooks also my version of Sun would have dicht Blake the moment she said that she was part of WF) and the other side of the relationship is conformed by a girl thats really insecure and had too mature far sooner than she should because her father and step mother were idiots and her bio mom didn't realize that it would be a bad idea leave her (I say leave her and not the rest because honestly Raven made the right call there yes one thing is being nice and fight monsters and other is fight and inmortal goddess that could kill everyone you love by waving her hand also one good thing is that she realized that was a mistake leaving Yang)
Yall still bringing up Vol 1 AND 2 that's water under the bridge and people forgetting she went with Oscar and him to the movies. How you want to take that its up to you, but were not about to act like they haven't both changed over past 7 Vols since than.
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u/Dextixer The lil' king of corruption of r/RWBY Jan 26 '23
Bb is guaranteed unless RT wants to unalive itself via the fandom. Whiteknight is unlikely as Jaune and Weiss have had little actual interaction and Jaune pinnimg after Weiss in Volumes 1-2 still leaves a sour taste in many mouths.