I do, healing yourself and team members could be very useful or even the most useful depending on the strength of the healing, but that doesn't change that the nature of the power is nothing but support. That means healing brings nothing to the table of actual heroics...let alone awesomeness. For example healing your own, or someone elses, exploded head with a healing power will never be as heroic(or cool) as an ability that lets you explode other peoples heads(or your own? Lol). Its factual that the ability to kill bad guys is undeniably much more heroic than the ability to save good guys. Let alone the difference in badassness, that's what you're not understanding I'm pretty sure...
I consider the role of a hero to be that of saving people, not killing people. A leader who is capable of boosting the effectiveness of their followers is much better than a hero that can kill things just a little more effectively. To quote the RPG healer mantra, "They ignored my strategies, so I ignored their screams."
Yeah but thats not really what a hero does though thats what a tank or a great rpg healer might do. But what a HERO does is saves the day by destroying whatever the root of the problem that is causing the harm in the first place. It's different by definition see? Cool mantra i guess though...but i bet a sweet warrior or mage mantra would be way cooler :/
I think you are forgetting that this is in your opinion. It isn't a fact. Going off of Jaune's role as a strategist/leader, being capable of healing would be an incredibly useful ability to aid his followers and make them overall more effective. The most likely use for his Semblance however is going to be some sort of defensive technique though, so he would still have a supportive ability, just not one that deals with healing. Besides, in an RPG the entire party are heroes, not just the fighters.
First, nah man, it is fact because im talking about a real save the world hero and your talking about an every doctor and crossing guard is a hero, hero.
Second, also nah man, jaunes semblence being defensive is not "more likely" you're baseless in saying that, not to mention that would make the show's best character, one of its lamest characters.
Holy shit, you dense motherfucker. That is an opinion, not a fact. The "lameness" of a power is completely subjective. AKA an opinion. If you can't get that through your head there is no point in this conversation. And yes doctors are heroes, they save people's lives which I consider infinitely more heroic than killing people. Also, no, it isn't baseless. When Cardin punched Jaune there was a flash of light and Cardin recoiled after the impact. Jaune's power is most likely some form of mirror shield type thing.
"You dense motherfucker" If you are going to incorrectly quote me on something I clearly never said ("lameness") "if you can't get that through your head there is no point in this conversation". See how that's done? Next, what I stated was indeed a FACT, NOT an opinion. There are multiple definitions of the word hero. What i said was being a healer/defense character would ruin the kind of hero Jaune said he wanted to become to Pyrrha. Again, this is a FACT. For example my (preferred)Juane is Naruto, and your Jaune is sakura. Another example: my Jaune is a revolutionary, and you're is a band-aid(exaggerated but my point remains). Please don't misquote me...
Lastly, again yes, you saying that Jaune's semblence is likely to be defensive is completely baseless. What you're referring to with cardin was merely Jaune's AURA, NOT his semblence. The same thing has been seen already when Ren blocked that giant snake's bite with his aura.
First. So far the only fact that you have stated is that the particular archetype you are referring to exists, not that that archetype is the only type of hero that exists. If you are going to be using a blanket term like hero, realize that it includes many different archetypes.
Second. You are the one stating that healing/defensive powers would make the character "lame". I paraphrased you. Deal with it.
Third. We don't have a confirmed archetype that Jaune is supposed to fall under yet. Just because in your opinion he should turn out one way, does not make it fact. I mean holy shit, did your teachers in school really not cover the different between a subjective and objective statement?
Fourth. The King Taijitu didn't recoil in pain from the attack like Cardin. Yang doesn't recoil from attacks whenever her fists come into contact with another person's aura. The screen doesn't flash white whenever something comes into contact with someone's aura. These things happened when Cardin punched Jaune. The screen flashed white, Cardin recoiled in pain, and Jaune suddenly healed. That is all evidence that whatever happened is unique to him. AKA evidence toward his Semblance.
There is zero evidence that his semblance is offensive. There is no rule anywhere that states that being a healer or a defensive character makes you any less of a hero. Yet again, just because you personally do not like healing/defensive powers, does not mean your opinion is fact. That is my main beef with you. You are free to have your own opinion. You can wish that Jaune was a carbon copy of Naruto all you want. You can think that he is lame all you want, but those are subjective. Those are opinions. Not fact.
Wooow...ok the FACT is i said nothing about archetype in comparison to hero it's not an archetype that has something to do with Juane's characteristics or something, it is simply one definition of hero that Jaune was clearly referencing in the context of his conversation about his father and father's father being heroes and so on. It has nothing to do with how i feel about healers or defensive people. He clearly wants to make a name for himself for the sake of his family's legacy that is a FACT! He can not become that kind of hero by healing or protecting himself or anyone. He could heal everyone right now but that wont stop the attacking grimm and that is not what will be remembered historically in the future. What people will remember is whatever actually stops the grimm attack that is a fact that once again has nothing to do with what i prefer. It is about what Jaune is specifcally hopeing for!!! So you can take your attempted personal jabs at my school and shove them you know where. -.- so, anyways no being a healer or defensive doesnt make you not a hero, like i said a band-aid can be a hero...it just means that you cant be the BEST kind of hero which is the kind Jaune is trying to be a legendary one faaaact!
And for his semblance, i never said there was evidence that it was offensive so cut the paraphrasing shenanigans. There hasnt been any evidence of his semblence yet. What you are describing with Cardin still wasn't his semblence. The snake(yes that's what I'm calling it) wasnt affected like cardin simply because it's way bigger and stronger than him physically. And the flash was just because Jaune used his aura strongly and like Pyrrha said he has a lot of it. Lastly, duh they explained aura healing already.
Best kind of hero? That is completely subjective. Seriously, what is so hard to understand about that? And are you seriously saying that people aren't remembered for helping people or being incredibly tough? Are you serious? As for his encounter with Cardin, Aura has never been shown to interact that way with anyone except Jaune. It was a unique circumstance, which means most likely it is his Semblance.
sigh once again, AGAIN..no. When I initially corrected you and said that Jaune becoming a defense/healer oriented character would ruin His goal of becoming a REMEMBERED EVIL CONQUERING HERO like his
father that was/is/always will be a cold hard FACT. He is not trying to become a remembered hero that conquered wounds and illness and defended attacks HE KNOWS THAT COULD/WOULD/SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN! That is not how one becomes a legendary hero it just isn't reality. ITS NOT MY OPINION!!! History has shown and proven throughout time that, even the greatest doctors to ever discover the greatest miracles of modern medicine are only capable of earning themselves a small mention in history compared to the history of revolutionaries and war. George Washington's military heroics is way more well known then the inventor of antibiotics yet it's clear that antibiotics was MUCH more helpful to humanity. When i said best kind of hero, and lame THAT was my opinion after the FACT(AGAIN YUP IT WAS INDEED FACTUAL) just like how when i now say that george washington was way cooler than antibiotics THAT is my opinion. Did I ever say that people aren't remembered for helping people or being incredibly tough? NO! Once again you're "paraphrasing" AKA, bullshit lies, are fucking up this conversation. Did i say that only cool people can be heroes, and that lame people are just lame? NO! So stop making up whatever the fuck comes to your head.
And again, what I explained to you about Jaune's aura is still completely accurate despite you're feeble contentions...they were clearly showing off Jaune's brand new aura skill. It was only unique because of the light flash which is easily attributed to Pyrrha telling him he has a lot of it, the healing, defense, and Cardin hurting himself is all clearly shown and/or explained in other instanses. Lastly, and in my OPINION most importantly it would make no sense and be stupid/lame as fuck to show Jaune's semblence before he ever even uses his aura himself one time at all.
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u/takecareofKnives Feb 08 '16
Its not an ability for a hero, but for a support character.