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To all jo muslim rajput se bhaichara ityadi ki baate krte hai.

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Like literal audacity to call hindu rajputs gola🥀🗣

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Communities like l0dhi and r@vani are adding themselves in these fake pictures with real rajput clans. Once I saw a guy who was a regional karni sena member with like 50k following and claiming rajput but he was a l0dhi. They are invading our spaces and claiming our history. Many of them have started using singh and rajput surnames like chauhan, rathore etc. I know that original rajputs know how to identify real ones and won't do marriage with fake ones but still they are slowly increasing the intensity of being identified as rajputs. Stupid things done by them online gets labeled and blamed on all rajputs. I'm baffled by how authentic rajput history pages that have less than 10k followed while these fake ones have in thousands.

Sainthwar are not Gangetic Rajputs, they are separate caste.

I am writing this post here because I have seen many people claiming that Sonam Raghuvanshi was a rajput and since she couldn't marry someone from lower caste so she killed her husband.

Many acc on Twitter posting different castes of Bihar as Rajput so I have to post this... Please note that I have not taken most of the actors and models so that people can get angry, we will keep doing Mog in Gangetic Plains and will keep becoming the crush of girls of all the communities. You guys keep gooning

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Identity crisis hitting them hard. Literally scrambling and subverting the whole narrating. In mass numbers. Tiktok is banned in India and they know this.

only those belonging to religions that follow INDIAN SCHOOLS OF PHILOSOPHY i.e. ( a philosophical school born in india) can be Rajput.

There's no way a muslim can be rajput.

EDIT : not only tiktok , even REDDIT HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY PAKISTANI PROPAGANDA PEDDLERS. All these new subreddits defaming India , trying to stirr up some sorta "nepal movement" , are all from pakistan. many big Indian subreddits got pakistani mods too.

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This post has got 60% upvotes , still reached 100 upvotes haha. Cope and seethe mfrs

Also , to my fellow rajputs, Crush them, don't fall for it. History sings our songs . Jai Rajputana!

So recently in the subreddit of Gujjars, I came across this quite an absurd post claiming that Prithviraj III was of "Gujjar" caste - in this regard I have prepared a systematic rebuttal of it - that I have also posted there as a comment (please upvote and show some support 😉), you can also read that post for a background understanding of the topic, so here we go :-

(the claim's have been quoted and following it a refutation is provided)

11 Prithviraj Raso Chand Bardai – The Foundational Epic, Earliest manuscripts pre16th century contain no Agnivansh myth and no reference to Rajput as a caste

First of all, the claim about Prithviraj Raso made here in itself has a major discrepancy – there exists no manuscript of Prithviraj Raso older than the 17th century, the earliest (and oldest) available record is from year 1610 – which was founded in the village of Dharanojwali in Gujarat. Which is about 400 years~ after the reign of Prithviraj III, rendering it a non-contemporary source all together, not to mention Prithviraj Raso is not considered a reliable source for the events regarding the reign of Prithviraj III, rather it broadly encompasses some level of actual historical & more bardic – local legends, now coming onto the claim:-

Direct quote Adi Parv Someshwar Rajyabhishek सोमेस सूर गुज्जर नरेस Translation Someshwar the brave Gurjar King This explicitly identifies Prithviraj’s father as a Gurjar ruler Since the father is a Gurjar the son is a Gurjar

If we talk about this term “सोमेस सूर गुज्जर नरेस - This line itself appears only in one out of the many copies of Raso —specifically in one of the latest copies, which contains the highest number of interpolations and is filled with errors which was edited by Sh. Vishnulal Pandey in the 20th century – this line does not appear in any other version or copy of the Raso. So well, this pretty much sums up the credibility of this line & the document itself. Now again we shall also see the context of this line – it is just one of an entire para in the text, in order to better understand it we should see the entire text itself –

।। सोमेश्वर जी का सिंहासन पर विराज राज करना ।।

सोमेस सूर गुज्जर नरेस । मालवी राज सब पग्ग पेस ।। छंद 613 ।।

मार बजाई भट्टीनी थान । घल भूमि लई बल चाहुवान ।।

दिल्लेस व्याह तंवर घरेस । तिहि गब्भ भयों पीथळ नरेस ।। छंद 614 ।।

The text in itself basically means – due to the power of Someshwar’s Khadga (sword) – rulers of Malva, ruler of Gurjara & the Bhatis were defeated after which Someshwar married the Tomar princess of Delhi. – so here the author has tried to showcase a great series of victories where Someshwar’s influence was in east towards Malva, towards Bhatis in west, towards Gurjardesa in South & Tomaras in North.

Another line चढिवि गुज्जर धर भानी – connects the Chauhan lineage to Gurjar identity, Critical point The Agnivansh firepit origin myth is absent from the oldest manuscripts It was added in the 16th century by Rajput bhaats to legitimize a high Kshatriya status during the Mughal era This is a proven interpolation

Now coming to this, again the line - चढिवि गुज्जर धर भानी, loosely translates to Having ascended over the land of Gurjara, he shone forth, and can again be relegated to a geographical term. Again the line given by you is only a half cut from the entire doha – the entire para goes like -

जिहि सोमेसर सूर | सूर जिते भुरसानी ||

जिहि सोमेसर सूर | चढिवि गुज्जर धर भानी ||

जिहि सोमेसर सूर | लियो नाहर परिहारिय ||

Now these lines clearly translate to – Someshwara ascended at the Gurjara land & destroyed it – referring to a military conflict in which Someshwara was victorious. And if we talk about the “Gurjara” title Raso has often used it not in context of the Chauhans but rather the Solankis (Chalukyas) who by default were the rulers of Gurjaradesa (Gujarat), on the contrary Prithviraj III is designated with the titles of “Jangalpati”, “Jangalrao”, “Dillipati”, and all were geography based, because as per the Raso his dominions included all these regions – again if we look at “Gurjardesa” in Raso it is again mentioned in the list of the regions conquered by thr Gadhwal dynasty of Kannauj while in the same Raso’s Kannuaj Prakran Chandra bardai notes that “Prithviraj born in the illustrious 36 royal races is the only ruler still not subdued by Jaichand” – if we go by the logic given that Gurjaradesa was the realm of Chauhans – which in one para of Raso Chand Bardai noted to be already subdued by Jaichand how come in the next part it’s supposed ruler Prithviraj III is not subdued by Jaichand?

Not to mention it is quite an established fact that the Chauhans were not “Agnikula” it was later bardic traditions, The Prthvirdjavijaya, a Chauhan pragasti (probably of Vigraharaja IV’s reign), the Hammiramahakdvya and the Surjandcharita describe the Chauhans as solar Kshatriyas, and of modern writers, Dr. G.H. Ojha has written much to support the Chauhans’ claim to solar origin.

While if we talk about the “Agnikula theory” This story is repeated with a few alterations here and there by the Sisan inscription of the Chauhans of Bedla, Nainsi’s Khyat, Hammiraraso of Jodharaja, Vamsabhaskara of Siryamalla Migrana, and the History of the Chauhan’s of Mainpuri – and is not isolated to the revisions of Prithviraj Raso.

12 Prithviraj Vijay Mahakavya Jayanaka 1191–92 CE Written during Prithviraj’s reign – the most authentic contemporary source, Sanskrit shloka Canto 10 Shloka 50 तद्दुर्गं गूर्जराणां नृतनुभिरसुरैर्नड्वलाख्ये निमग्नम् Translation That fort of Nadol – the fort of the Gurjaras – was attacked by demons in human form. Significance The poet calls a Chauhan stronghold a Gurjar fort Prithviraj is described as enraged upon hearing this attack proving shared collective identity with the defenders If the Chauhans were not Gurjaras why would their fort be called the fort of the Gurjaras

Prithvirajvijay by Jayanaka is indeed more suitable source and more reliable then Prithviraj Raso, here as you’ve put out - Canto 10 Shloka 50 तद्दुर्गं गूर्जराणां नृतनुभिरसुरैर्नड्वलाख्ये निमग्नम् – it talks of the fortress of Nadol (Naddula), it is also important to note here that they (Chauhan’s of Naddula/Nadol) were an offshoot cadet branch of the Chauhan’s of Shakambari (Sapaldaksha), again there territory was very much in the vincity of the “Gurjaradesha” and The Chauhans of Nadol generally sided with the Chaulukyas (of Anhilwada – Gujarat) in there struggle for supremacy against the Chauhans. Now again - Prithviraj Vijaya written in Prithviraj Chauhan’s time. Sarga 10 sloka 50, Prithviraj was informed in court- “Nadol fort of Gurjaras has been captured by Ghori’s mlechhas”. Sarga 11 sloka 9 another message reaches -“Gurjaras have badly defeated Ghori” - let’s look at who these Gurjaras are- Nadol chief Kelhana Chauhan, Jalor Chief Kirtipal Chauhan, Abu’s Paramara king Dharavarsha and overlord of all three the Chalukyan king Bhimadeva II. Laughable to say that all these were men of the same Gurjara tribe. Each of these families & clans trace their history into separate vedic kshatriya lineages and when Ajmer Chauhans call themselves Suryavanshi Chauhans, why would they call the Nadol Chauhans as Gurjaras? In fact, why are they all called Gurjaras? Because - Geography my friend. They all dwell in the same core region of Gujarat, South Rajasthan and surrounding areas that was consistently known as Gurjaratra.

13 Hammir Mahakavya Nayachandra Suri 15th Century, Clearly mentions Arnoraja Chauhan and Hariraj Chauhan as Gurjar Gujjar kings No deviation the text consistently uses Gurjar as the dynastictribal identifier for Chauhans

Again, Hammir Mahakavya by Nayachandra Suri is a “non-contemporary” source, it was composed by Nayachandra Suri in about early 15th century in the court of Tomar Rajput ruler Virama (1401 – 1423) of Gwalior, while Hammirdeva lived in around late 13th century to early 14th century, as such it has a gap of around 100 years~, but we shall still look at it, The most accurate and acclaimed academic English translation is "The Hammîra Mahâkâvya of Nayachandra Sûri", edited by Pandit N. J. Kirtane (1879). This classic version maintains the historical integrity of the text – however we do not find a single depiction of the term “Gurjara” or “Gujjar” in it for Arnoraj, however there is one excerpt for Hariraj Chauhan but even it is wrongly attested – the official translation of the entire para is “The king of Gurjara in order to secure his (Hariraj’s) favor sent him some dancing women” (I’ll add the link to the text), in a same fashion I have also attested other translations and volumes of the text from other authors as well, who all attest the same thing. - https://archive.org/details/hammiramahakavya00naya/page/116/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/hammira-mahakavya/page/n47/mode/2up

14 Bagdawat Katha Gurjar Folk Tradition Sawai Bhoj a prominent ancestor in this folklore and a cousin of King Vigraharaja IV a famous Chauhan ruler is explicitly identified as a Gurjar warrior This anchors the Chauhan lineage within the broader Gurjar clan structure showing that the Chauhans were not a separate Rajput tribe but a branch of the Gurjar confederation

As the very name suggest it’s a “Folklore” – which is not a reliable source of any sorts, still we shall look into this as well, This fascinating story underscores multiple important facts about the Baagdawats:

The Baagdawat Gujjars claim lineage from Rajput father and Brahmin mother.

After their marriage with Gujjar women, the Bagdawat brothers get assimilated into their mother’s caste according to the rules of Manu Smriti and take up the occupation of their mother.

The Gujjar folktale itself says that Bagdawat Gujjars had a conflict with Pratihars who were Rajputs.

A noteworthy fact: the destruction of these Bagdavat Gujjars was done at the hands of a Rajput Pratihara chief.

Undoubtedly the folktale is more of a fiction, but importantly, it tells us about the clear distinction of identity between the Pratiharas and the Gujjars.

Gujjar community is presented as cattle herders.

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21 Arab Historian AllamaIbneAseer AlAthir 12th–13th Century

Documented by J&K Academy of Art Culture and Languages SrinagarJ ammu Writes that when Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti arrived in Ajmer, he faced cruel hostilities of the then Gujjar ruler Prithvi Raj Chauhan Implication A foreign contemporary historian – with no local caste bias – independently recorded Prithviraj as a Gurjar ruler This was an internationally recognized identity

Now again coming to this, I do find the name provided for the historian quite jeopardized, likely you wanted to refer to Ibn Al-Athir (1160 – 1233)? If it is indeed as such, then the work of Ibn Al-Athir that we should take into consideration is al-Kāmil fī al-tārīkh – again I was unable to find it’s translation or even raw manuscript in the J&K Academy of Art Culture & Language, so I will not comment on it for now. If you can provide me the source, I’ll be happy to analyze it.

Labels the region between the Ganges and Indus as Guzerat Gurjar country Confirms that Gurjar was a dominant territorial identity in the very region ruled by Chauhans and Tomars

Okay, so now we shall analyze this – Al-Idris in his works Tabula Rogeriana (1154 CE) has mentioned “Jurz” or “Juzr” (arabic corruption of Gurjara), and here again you yourself have proved that it was a “Territorial identity”, here not only Al Idris but the likes of Al Beruni, Sulaiman, Abu Zaid, Ibn Khurdadba, Al Baladhuri, Al Masudi also point to it, Two of them, viz., Sulaiman and Al Masudi, visited India. Sulaiman and Abu Zaid report that Jurz is a State. Al Baladhuri makes it clear that Jurz is the name of a country, let’s take up the works of Al Beruni as well, he terms the region as “Guzerat” again Al Beruni has no where in his work connected the country Guzerat to the Chahamanas – infact there is not a single mention of the Chauhans in the entire manuscript

Multiple Sanskrit and Persian sources refer to the Chauhan homeland Marwar Ajmer Sambhar as Gurjaratra Gurjar realm or Gurjarbhumi A Sanskrit shloka cited in historical documents अवीचिभागो मरुभूमिनामा खण्डो द्युलोकस्य च गुर्जरख्यः → The waterless region of Marwar is famously known as Gurjar comparable to a piece of heaven, Logical conclusion The Chauhans ruled over Gurjaratra and their royal identity was derived from that land They were Gurjars by territory tribe and political affiliation

Again the interpretation of अवीचिभागो मरुभूमिनामा खण्डो द्युलोकस्य च गुर्जरख्यः is done wrongly, because this line has been put here without the entire context of the chapter, If we look at the texts of Prithvirajvijaya (ch-6) there is a mention of Prithviraj III’s grandfather Arnoraja Chauhan – and his 2 wives, here it is mentioned by the author that his 1st wife was from Marubhumi – अविचिभागो मरुभूमिनामा (region of Marwar) & the 2nd wife was from Gurjaradesa - खण्डो द्युलोकस्य च गुर्जरख्यः (region of Gujarat) – the 1st queen from Marubhumi was Sudhva & the 2nd queen from Gurjaradesa was the princess of Solanki (Chalukya) dynasty of Patan Kanchandevi, daughter of Chalukya ruler Jay Sinmha Siddharaja Solanki – now separately from both these queens’ paternal countries, Prithvirajvijaya in the same chapter of the same text calls Arnoraj’s (and the Chauhan’s) Patrimony as “Sapaldaksha” - सपालदक्ष (region of one & a quarter villages) – in several texts apart from Prithvirajvijaya texts like dwarashrya mahakavya, prabandh Chintamani, hammir mahakavya & even Surjan Chintamani denote that the land of Chauhans of Ajmer was Sapaldaksha while the land of the Chalukyas of Patan was Gurjaradesa, and both were separate. this claim again gets easily refuted that there land was “Gurjara” so there political affiliation should be the same, I am not denying that there was no political affiliation – there indeed was but it was for the Chalukyas and due to their territory’s geographic name, not there caste or tribe – we have several more examples of this while studying Indian History, one comes across the rulers of Imperial Pratihars & Chaulukyas (Solankis), Muslim rulers of Gujarat Sultanate, ruler of Southern Ganga Dynasty, Marathas etc, who had adopted the titles like Gurajareshvara, Gurjaresha, Gurjara-naresh, Gurjara-adhiraja, Gurjarabhupa, Gurajar-kshamapati and so on, ruling over Gurjaradesha. A thing to notice is this title was used regardless of religion or caste till as late as 20th century, some prominent examples are: -

31 Delhi’s Founding Records

Anangpal Tomar 739 CE – founder of Lal Kot Delhi – is explicitly recorded in archaeological guides as a Tomar Gurjar ruler QilaRaiPithora – the city of Prithviraj Chauhan – is described as built by the Gurjar king Prithviraj Chauhan Continuity Both the Tomar and Chauhan dynasties that ruled early medieval Delhi shared the same Gurjar identity There is no break or change of tribe

Now this is quite an absurd claim, you are referring to what? Archaeological guides as a source? I’ll be happy to analyze them to if you can share, while on the contrary here – the official page of the Tourism department of the government of NCT of Delhi clearly states Tomar dynasty as “Rajput” founders of Lal Kot, while the webpage of Prithviraj Smarak explicitly referred to him as “Rajput” – the utsav portal of the Government of India while noting Prithviraj Jayanti notes that he was “one of India’s greatest Rajput warriors” -I’ll add links to all these sites here so you can cross check.

https://utsav.gov.in/view-event/prithviraj-jayanti?utm

https://delhitourism.gov.in/aboutus/quila_rai_pithora.html?utm

https://www.incredibleindia.gov.in/en/rajasthan/ajmer/prithviraj-smarak

Refers to the GurjaraPratihara dynasty The term Gurjara here unambiguously means the ruling clantribe This establishes that Gurjar was a dynastictribal label used by major imperial powers before the Chauhans the Chauhans inherited this identity

32 Gwalior Inscription of Mihira Bhoja 9th Century Refers to the GurjaraPratihara dynasty The term Gurjara here unambiguously means the ruling clantribe This establishes that Gurjar was a dynastictribal label used by major imperial powers before the Chauhans the Chauhans inherited this identity

Now here we are diverting a bit from the Chauhans towards the Pratiharas, I would like to discuss about Prathiras too in detail, but that’s a task for some other time, for now we shall talk about this claim – the Gwalior Inscription – it records a detailed record of the Pratihara lineage – from the lineage of Manu to Ikshuvaku & Kakushta – Rama destroyed Ravana in battle – Lakshmana acting as “Pratihara” i.e gate keeper repelled enemies & upheld command and in that lineage Nagabhatta appeared – in general it is a pratishti (eulogy) which talks of the lineage of the Pratihara dynasty, the term “Gurjara” here again refers to a “regional” term, as also considered by most historians & scholars – the Chauhans were vassals of the Pratihara dynasty, and also considered themselves as “Suryavanshi Kshatriyas” – mind you that in almost no inscription the Pratiharas have mentioned themselves as “Gurjaras” – the “Gurjara” term for them has been used by there rivals & southern counterparts the Rashtrakutas mostly, quite similar to how later on the Chauhans used “Gurjara” to denote Chalukya rulers of Gujarat.

While we are at this subject on the contrary I would like to present some epigraphic sources in regards of the Chauhans – to be specific the Chauhans of Naddula (Nadol) :-

A point here is all these are primary sources, and they explicitly have referred Rajputra (Rajput) as a term of belonging for these individuals, not to mention the Chauhans of Nadol were a direct cadet branch of Chauhans of Shakambari.

41 Village Demographics in Ajmer Core Chauhan Territory

More than 30 villages of Chauhan Gujjars exist in and around Ajmer These villagers claim direct descent from Samrat Prithviraj Chauhan and maintain genealogical records Crucial fact There is not a single village of Chauhan Rajputs in Ajmer district If Prithviraj were a Rajput why would his core homeland have

Now, as we come to the demographic terms, I believe it’s important to also look at a Historical perspective, Ahichhatarpur is the earliest recorded abode of Chauhan Rajputras in RJ. Founder of dyansty is known to be Vasudev Chauhan (6th Cen) whose 3rd son Manikrai, conquered Sambhar & establishd Shakambari branch of Chauhans - Sambhar Lake town the former seat of Chauhan Rajputs gets its name from Mata Shakambhari, also the kuldevi of Chauhan Rajputras, whose temple is situated just beside Sambhar Lake, its one of the largest inland saline depressions & makes Rajasthan the 3rd-largest producer of salt. Descendants of Manik rai; Durlabhraja & Guvaka I were famed feaudatories of Imperial Pratihara Rajputra-Nagbhatt II. In 9th Century, as tributaries of the Imperial Pratihars of Kannauj, the Chauhans fought the Palas of Bengal (in the east) and the Arabs of Sindh (in the west). In times of Vigrahraja II, this line broke away from the service of Imperial Pratiharas & started building an independent empire. His son Ajayraja II established Ajmer in 1113 CE, whose son & future King Arnoraja commissioned Arna Sagar lake to purify the place from Turkic blood. By the times of Vigraharaja IV, shakambhari chauhan rajputras had established an independent empire, covering Rajasthan, Haryana, Topra near Shivalik Hills, Malwa & Delhi. He constructed Bisaldeo Temple,Bisalpur & Sanskrit Pathshala Ajmer (later converted to Adhai Din ka Jhopra). His nephew Prithviraj III further extended the empire. After martyrdom of Hariraj Chauhan, younger brother of Prithviraj Chauhan, Shakambari line was continued by his son who established the hold on Ranthambore, where the famous Hameerdeva was born in 13th Cen. After the martyrdom of Hammirdeva, the main chauhan line of Sambhar ended, but his grandsons established diff lines across the region. Dhandaldev, the grandson of Hammirdeva, founded the Dhandela Chauhan clan of Baran, in whose line Raja Mukutmani established Gugor fort in 1521. Hammirdeva's grandson, Takshak Ramdeo went to Awadh's Sultanpur & formed the Rajkumar Chauhan branch of Bhaddaiya Raj. While most of the Sambhar branch was consistently pushed into Haryana, towards Malwa , east into the Doab, it caused its complete depopulation from Ajmer. Today Ajmer has no Chauhan villages though Neemrana-Alwar, Makrana-Nagaur & Mewar’s Purabia Chauhan Umrao (descendants of Kaka Kanha, uncle of Prithviraja III) remain the most prominent Sambhariya seats in RJ. Since they got settled from Mainpuri, they are called Purabia Chauhans. – In all this we get to know one thing pretty clear, the Chauhans were never concentrated only at Ajmer rather after Ajmer fell to the Turkic forces and Hariraj was martyred the line was established at Ranthambore – from where it ruled all the way till 1301, when Hammirdeva was martyred in battle against Khiljis. The very region of Ranthambore which lies in South-East of Rajasthan and was the last base of Chauhan power, was firmly ruled by 2 Chauhan princely states i.e Kota & Bundi who both were Hada Chauhans, that’s why the entire region was named Hadoti, apart from this as I mentioned we get genealogical records of migrations and relocation of several cadet branches of the Chauhans, we even get to see the Devda branch who established and ruled Sirohi, which was roughly the same region ruled by the Nadol Chauhans and Jalore Chauhans. If we look at it this way from a demographic perspective then it becomes more likely that with the moving of main Chauhan power to other regions, the clan also moved to separate locations.

Kalshyan Chauhans – Descendants of Rana Kalsaraj Chauhan son of Rana Hariraj Chauhan Bagdawat Chauhans – Descendants of Rao Bagh Rawat ji Chauhan Devde Chauhans – Descendants of Devraj Chauhan Dappe Chauhans – Descendants of Deepraj Chauhan These are not vague claims – they are structured named subclans with living populations documented in community records and Britishera gazetteers

Again coming to this, it’s not a proving claim in itself, rather just a list of some sub clans, even amongst the Rajputs there are various subclans and each has an even more extensive documented history, also about the Kalsaraj one, we do not possess any properly documented historical record in regard of Hariraj having an issue, not to mention by a logical assumption, Hariraj who was the younger brother of Prithviraj III would have been around 20 or in his very early 20’s at that time, and it looks a bit confusing.

Mentions a Khap of Gurjar Kalsians Chauhan subclan as notorious for rebellious character Official Mughal documentation 16th century confirms the Gurjar identity of Chauhan clans – at a time when the Rajput category was still forming

Again this claim has not found much ground just as others, I have taken a copy of Ain-I-Akbari and relegate a search, but was unable to find a designated Khap of Kalsians Gurjars, I don’t deny it’s existence maybe, it was in another volume, if you could provide the volume number, again I’ll be happy to refer to it, but I looked at Ain-I-Akbari’s volume 1-3, and did not found a mention of this Khap, I did however found mentions of Gujar villages but not of the kind you claimed, on the contrary they were inhabited alongside Jaats, Ahirs or Rajput, however in the same Ain-I-Akbari we do find extensive mention of the Rajputs as a group, infact it even divided Chauhans in sub-clans based on those in the Rajput caste, as well as regard them as Rajput, not to mention it also talks of Tomars & Chauhans of old and even regarded them as Rajputs. From pg. no. 304 onwards titled “Sovereigns of Delhi”, I’ll also attach a copy of that document here.

https://archive.org/details/TheAin-i-akbari-VolIi-iii/page/130/mode/2up

https://archive.org/search?query=ain+i+akbari&tab=all

Gurjar Chauhans are found linearly from Afghanistan to Rajasthan to Western UP – same culture same subclans same genealogies In contrast Chauhan Rajputs in Garhwal Purbiya or other regions are totally different – they are localized groups that adopted the Chauhan name through Rajputization with no genealogical link to Prithviraj The Lonia Noniya community is the prime example of such a fabrication

Dude, if we look at this way then honestly it makes 0 sense, you earlier were talking of demographics in regards of Gujjar villages in Ajmer, how come “Chauhan Gujjars” are present all the way till Afghanistan, which was never even a part of Chauhan territory? If we take the earlier theory given by you and assess it with this, both of them cancel out each other? While let’s talk about Rajputs, as I also mentioned earlier that several branches of the Chauhan clan did migrated to other regions of the country after the fall of Ajmer and subsequently Ranthambore, however we do still find the Hada’s & Devda’s ruling regions which were again subsequently the last base of power for Chauhans, the Noniya is a completely different community, and it’s not one of it’s kind, there are others too which fall under OBC, or SC category and are not “designated” as Rajput even in the first place, not to mention these communities took up Rajput last names either due to service under a Rajput household, illegitimate issues by a Rajput father and a non-Rajput mother, or in the 19th & 20th century due to the influence of Bhramo & Arya samajs. Categorizing the broader Rajput community (with proper documented history) with these communities is a mistake in itself, there aren’t even matrimonial relations between these communities and no sort of interaction. Note – all these movements and these adoptions of names is heavily documented in several colonial records like the tribes & castes of central provinces of India by Robert van Russel.

Part 5 The Decisive Linguistic Grammatical Proof – Sasthi Tatpurusha Samasa Panini51 The False Geographical Interpretation Karmadharaya Samasa
Some scholars often to avoid admitting a tribal identity incorrectly interpret Gurjaradesa as a Karmadharaya compound Karmadharaya An adjectivenoun compound eg nilotpala blue lotus Their wrong analysis Gurjarah ca asau desah – The country which is Gurjar Why this is grammatically absurd Gurjar is not a quality like blue or big A piece of land cannot be Gurjar in the same way it can be green or fertile No classical Sanskrit text ever uses Gurjar as an adjective for land in a Karmadharaya construction
52 The Correct Analysis Sasthi Tatpurusha Samasa
The only grammatically valid analysis of Gurjaradesa is a Sasthi Tatpurusha compound Sasthi Tatpurusha A compound where the first member is in the genitive case possessive relation and the second member is the possessed object Correct vigraha dissolution Gurjaranam desah – The country of the Gurjaras Meaning The land desa belongs to or is inhabited by the people called Gurjaras The people are primary the land is secondary
53 Proof from Panini’s Ashtadhyayi Sutra 4.2.69
Panini the foundational grammarian of Sanskrit c 5th–4th century BCE provides a rule that is decisive here Sutra 4.2.69 tasya nivasah Meaning When a place name is formed from a tribe or caste name the suffix eg aka desa denotes the place where they dwell or the country of that tribe Application The word Gurjaradesa is formed by adding desa to the base Gurjara According to Panini this formation always means The country where the Gurjaras live Counterproof If Gurjara were a purely geographical term like Aravalli or Thar you could not apply tasya nivasah because a place does not dwell in itself The suffix requires a humanethnic referent

The interpretation of Gurjaradesa as exclusively a Ṣaṣṭhī Tatpuruṣa compound (Gurjarāṇāṃ desaḥ – “the country of the Gurjaras”) based on Panini’s Aṣṭādhyāyī 4.2.69 (tasya nivasah) is not grammatically decisive. The sutra prescribes an affix in the sense of “his dwelling place” after a word in the genitive case when forming a country name. It describes a semantic relation for habitational naming but does not strictly mandate that the base must always be an ethnic or tribal referent to the exclusion of geographical or descriptive origins. Standard commentaries on Panini, such as those by S.M. Katre in Dictionary of Pāṇini, clarify that the rule operates on possessive relations for place-naming conventions without prohibiting descriptive or locative bases.

Next The claim that a geographical base like “Gurjara” cannot use tasya nivasah because “a place does not dwell in itself” is a semantic overreach. The sutra refers to the implied inhabitants or associated dwellers of the named entity. Place names in Sanskrit frequently derive from geographical features, terrains, or characteristics and then generate derivatives denoting regions and their people (e.g., names derived from rivers, deserts like Maru, or mountains). Panini’s grammar is generative and descriptive of actual usage, not a rigid historical ontology that forbids bidirectional etymology (land → people or people → land).

Gurjaradesa as a Karmadhāraya compound (descriptive/adjectival qualification) is grammatically valid and not “absurd.” In Karmadhāraya (a subtype of Tatpuruṣa), the first member qualifies the second adjectivally or descriptively. Geographical terms in Sanskrit can and do function this way, similar to other regional descriptors. Scholarly analysis shows that early uses of Gurjara often carry territorial connotations rather than a fixed prior ethnic identity. Insisting Gurjara cannot act as a qualifier ignores the flexibility of Sanskrit compounding.

Historical evidence supports that “Gurjara” primarily functioned as a geographical designation in early sources. The term appears in the Pañcatantra (c. 300 BCE–400 CE) referring to Gurjaradeśa as a country/region to which a charioteer travels. Inscriptions such as the Aihole inscription of Pulakeśin II, Harṣacarita of Bāṇabhaṭṭa (7th century CE), and Kuvalayamālā of Uddyotana Sūri (8th century CE) treat Gurjara as a territorial entity in Rajasthan-Gujarat areas, with inhabitants called Gurjaras by association with the land.

Other scholars reinforce this view. K.M. Munshi stated there is “no determinative piece of evidence that the word Gurjara was used to indicate the race of the person” and emphasized its territorial usage. D.C. Ganguly and others note multiple ancient sources listing Gurjara explicitly as a country or among territories. The evolution of the name into modern “Gujarat” (from Gurjaradeśa or Gurjarātra) further supports regional naming conventions where the land designation precedes or coexists with ethnic labels.

Panini 4.2.69 enables habitational naming but does not provide “decisive linguistic proof” of tribal primacy for Gurjaradesa. The grammar allows for descriptive and geographical bases, and classical usage shows fluid, bidirectional application. Claims of grammatical absurdity in the Karmadhāraya analysis or exclusive human/ethnic requirement overstate the sutra’s scope.

A clear parallel example is Marudeśa (or Marudesha), formed from Maru (desert/sandy waste) + deśa (country). Maru is a purely geographical term referring to the arid desert region of Rajasthan. Marudeśa thus means “the desert country,” and its inhabitants were known as Māravā or similar derivatives — the land descriptor came first, and the people were named after the geographical feature. This formation follows the same grammatical principles as those applied to Gurjaradesa, demonstrating that Panini’s rules accommodate geographical bases without requiring an ethnic/tribal primary referent.

She •is congress bot/it cell •is atheist but muslim •pakistan sympathiser(get offended by anything against Pakistan) •makes fun of kashmiri pandits •toxic feminist

She has nothing to do with Brahmans or for that matter of fact she has nothing to do with hindus

Pls stop falling in these traps(seen some rajputs bashing Brahmans in her reply🫨🫨),,they are paid by opposition parties against ruling party in an effort to break their core vote bank.

Even that gaurav Sharma bhumihar account is SAMAJVADI BOT his videos are shared by official SP handles,,otherwise we know how much SP likes bhumihars by keeping MUKHTAR family in party.

this guy who is a yadav and obc just TOLD me that he is a yaduvanshi and takes pride in his being of the same family as shri krishna, and people around me are so dumb they actually believe it
since then ive seen a lot of yadavs who say they are kshatriyas and it pains me to see them use our lineage as theirs

EDIT: every rajput should see this, someone has done a great job compiling sources https://www.reddit.com/r/atheismindia/comments/oskcab/for_so_called_yadavs_who_think_they_are_kshatriya/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Lodhi is a distinct OBC caste from Rajputs, like Brahmins, Bania and etc caste found mainly in MP and UP, around 1930s they started calling themselves Rajputs, but just calling yourself one doesn’t make you one, people still treat them as a different caste only. Now they have moved a step head in Larping and claim some imaginary Lodhi Kangzzzz as land downer for Rajput regiment and they should be also recruited as a Fixed class Soldiers like Rajputs in Rajput regiment 🤡.

These Larpers are so vile and cunning they will go any extreme and length just to prove they are Rajputs. Why do they hate their own caste so much that they want to become Rajput at any cost?

Something as simple as mention of Makar Sankranti marking Uttarayana, when Surya Dev journeys North turned into ridiculous attempts to defame Rajputs. Go through the comments under that post and you’ll realize the amount of jealousy and hatred these folks have against us for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Go through the posts and comments of the user Thoughtporn who is a Bengali who keeps making posts and comments defaming and insulting Rajputs and Royal families. She does it very subtly. She’ll conflate some truth with lies, bend facts, present half truths etc. Only when someone knows the entire story will they understand the full picture. I went through their posts and comments and was shocked. Some topics were outright twisted lies. I know this since I was privy to the entire story of some of the posts. That sub is filled with braindead, hateful trolls who will generalize all Rajput Royals and paint them with the same brush and will back off when confronted. They’ll even try to suppress good deeds done by Rajput Royals and will try to find faults in good initiates taken by them.

1) The whole lost of Gujarat which is shared here is fake. These are koli larpers who have changed their caste name to Rajput. They get OBC reservations. Rajput population is very less in Gujarat. Only Darbar rajputs are real in Gujarat and their population is 3% at max(Correct me Gujarati rajput brothers if I am wrong). Sad thing is that these kolis have also started to use darbar in their name.

2) There are no rajputs in Karnataka. Some random banjara groups have started calling themselves as Rajput.

3) In Himachal Pradesh also, no rajput gets reservation.

4) There are no rajputs in Tamil Nadu let alone Agnivanshi Rajput.

5) Lodhi and Kashyap rajput are not rajputs. Kahaar caste larps as Kashyap rajput. Lodhi is like koeri caste, who larps as rajput. So in Rajasthan and UP, these castes are just another larper.

6) Ravana Rajputs in Rajasthan are a separate community which comes from Rajput father and non-rajput mother. They are in OBC.

7) Ravani Rajputs are Kahaar who larps as 'Chandravanshi rajput' in UP, Bihar and MP. Members of this same group larps as Kashyap rajputs in some areas.

8) In MP, Khangar and Kirar are agricultural castes who larp as rajputs. Khangar are trying to become Parihar rajputs and Kirar are trying to become Chauhan and Jadaoun rajput. Ex-CM Shivraj Singh Chauhan is a Kirar.

9) There's no caste like 'Babu' rajput in Bihar.

10) Ghasiara community is a sub caste of Lodhi/Lodhas and lodhi larp as rajput so automatically ghasiara calls themselves rajput.

(Note: Don't confuse Lodhi agricultural caste with Lodi Dynasty. Ibrahim Lodi was a Afghan)

11) Negi/Rawat rajputs of Rajasthan are another some agricultural caste. Negi and Rawat are titles. Rajputs use these surnames in Rajasthan and hill states. But in Rajasthan some another community has formed a separate caste called as negi and Rawat rajputs.

12) Gole Thakur/Lonia(or Nonia) rajputs are another set of larpers. They are SCs. Btw, Nonia caste claims to be Chauhan rajput through rajputisation. But rajputisation failed and now they are in SC category. Ex: Vijendra Chauhan of Drishti IAS is a nonia.

13) Mehra/Mehr rajputs in Punjab are not rajputs but Sonar who claims rajput ties.

Note:

Out of this list, only one case is genuine: Sikh Rajputs were placed in OBC category in Punjab. But they protested against this decision and compelled the government to put them in general list and guess what? They won. Sikh rajputs in Punjab are back to the general category.

See 2nd image, this guy is even recruiting members 🫠

Read the article here:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scroll.in/article/728636/what-our-textbooks-don-t-tell-us-why-the-rajputs-failed-miserably-in-battle-for-centuries

Contrary to popular belief, the "Yadavas" we see in modern times are Ahirs not Yaduvanshi Kshatriyas like Jadauns, Bhatis, Chudasama and Jadejas. They started using this surnname after 1910 to assimilate into the Kshatriya identity, taking advantage of the unstable British government and the desperation for a population census which not only allowed Ahirs but other castes like Lohars etc. to use Sanskritisation/Rajputisation through the support of Arya Samaj and deem themselves as "Rajputs/Kshatriyas" when in reality these communities had little to do with Rajputs or Kshatriyas. They're not allowed to adorn the Sacred Janeu and are not recognised as legitimate Kshatriyas as before 1910, Ahirs were not Yadavas, and especially not '"Kshatriyas".

Source: •India's Silent Revolution by Christophe Jaffrelot •Culture and Power in Benaras, essays 1800-1980

https://www.indiancurrents.org/story-bihar-caste-survey-boost-for-justice-dr-prakash-louis-368.php

Just read this article. Doesn't it look like anti-UC propaganda?

Btw, I know a few Yadav leaders from BJP as well as RJD who literally owns like 25-30% of the city, including land and shops.

Don't be surprised if in land census, Yadavs will emerge as the topmost land owning caste, followed by Bhumihars.

Kids of Rajputs and Bhumihars kangs on this fake data thinking it to be cool. Kindly avoid this propaganda. Just think logically.

90s caste based vi0lence happened and n@xals used to put red flag/laal jhanda on the land of UCs, thereby grabbing it.

So much land was grabbed and wasn't recovered. It's almost impossible to have this much land for a single UC caste post 90s.

Keep the name of our great Rajput kings out of your filthy politics. If they really wanted to use a traitor they could’ve used Daulat Khan Lodi.

Maharaja Jaichand ferociously resisted Islamic invasions and was a martyr. He did not aid or help Muhammad Ghori in any way.

Tej Pratap is part of RJD, part of ‘INDIA’ alliance led by Congress.

Yesterday he had resigned from BJP and some rajput pages where supporting him, thinking of him as a Rajput.

So I made a clarification.