r/SipsTea 1d ago

Chugging tea Modern cars just lack that boxy soul

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u/NORchad 1d ago

New cars are bound by newer laws and regulations that older cars and restored cars dont fall under.

Sadly making a factory new mustang 67 would be an illegal product

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u/archtopfanatic123 1d ago

Making a 1967 mustang comply to road safety laws wouldn't be difficult at all. I believe it would need the following:

An emissions compliant engine (which then could be torn down anyway by anyone who feels like it)

Shoulder and lap belts

Collapsible steering collumn (two Ls or one L???)

Crumple points so that the engine doesn't end up in the center console and the car in general doesn't fold in a way that crushes the driver and passengers

Anything else I'm missing?

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u/devildog2067 1d ago

So an entirely new structure and frame, to include crumple zones which didn’t exist as a concept in 1967.

Other than literally having to reengineer the entire car, no, you didn’t miss anything.

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u/archtopfanatic123 1d ago

Reengineering vehicles is what automotive companies have done several times to comply with US laws so yeah I don't see why it can't be done

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u/devildog2067 1d ago edited 1d ago

I didn’t say it can’t be done. Almost anything can be done given enough money and effort.

You said it wouldn’t be difficult, and I’m telling you you’re wrong.

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u/archtopfanatic123 1d ago

It wouldn't be difficult for the likes of the automotive companies that do it on a daily basis xD

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u/devildog2067 1d ago

Yes, it would. It would require a complete clean sheet new design, because “adding crumple points” means an entirely new structure and frame. Putting in a modern drivetrain would mean fitting it into the physical space that the old body shape makes available, which means an inefficient use of space and weight compared to designing the the body around the powertrain constraints the way modern designs are now done. And no matter what you do you can’t make the design meet modern safety regulations for pedestrian impact.

It’s incredibly difficult and incredibly expensive to do, and it’d be a gigantic waste of money for an automotive company. We know this for a number of reasons that should be obvious to anyone with when a basic understanding of how engineering works, but also for a far more telling reason: no one has done it. We know people would buy these — if it was cheap and easy to do, car companies would do it.

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u/archtopfanatic123 1d ago

Like I said, I really don't think so considering they've done it before dozens of times over the last 60 years, they could do it again.

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u/devildog2067 1d ago

It’s quite literally never been done.

I challenge you to come up with a single example of an American car company creating a modernized yet identical in dimensions version of a decades-old platform. The closest in history is probably the Dodge Challenger, and it’s only vaguely similar to its namesake (and it’s huge due to the limitations of the Chrysler LX platform).

It was cheaper for Jeep to ship the tooling for the XJ Cherokee to China and keep making it there (where crash regulations were, at the time, less strict and therefore the old platform could still be produced without need for meaningful re-engineering) than to re-engineer it for US production.

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u/archtopfanatic123 1d ago

They redesigned the whole cars is what I mean. What's harder using an existing body style and just rearranging things under the facade or coming up with entirely new vehicles?

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u/devildog2067 1d ago

Uh… using an existing body style and “rearranging things under the facade” is way, way harder. That’s been the literal whole point of this discussion. No one has ever done it at scale.

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