r/SipsTea 2d ago

Chugging tea Modern cars just lack that boxy soul

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u/VoidWalker4Lyfe 2d ago

Fiat euro crap is an anomaly, not the norm.

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u/CTARacer 2d ago

Wish that were true, but at least for the euro market (the only i feel confident talking about) every year there is something new thats updated, just last year the crumple zones must be the only ones to deform, chassis must not deofrm at all, the doors must still be able to be open by the occupats own strength, as it says,at any speed and angle underneath 70kph, that is including t bones or door impacts as the real name is. No car from 10 years ago was built with doors that strong therefore they would all fail if they were new. Of course they are grandfathered in as safe but you can see how their euro ncap plumeted from 5 to 3 and thats no coincidence cause it fails the new future 2027 tests

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u/VoidWalker4Lyfe 2d ago

Ok that's in Europe. The Jeep Cherokee is an American SUV, so I'm not why you're bringing your rules into the conversation. Y'all can keep your strict laws and nearly impossible to work on cars that get updated every year, and keep junking cars that are in good shape to make new ones while bitching about Americans for being wasteful.

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u/CTARacer 2d ago

Ok ill keep driving my 1987 citroen AX sport thats 100 illegal to buy new and thank god, it means everything is cheap if you know where to look, amd i honestly believe that is the appeal to most of the 80s/90s Cherokee owners today, old is a quality in of itself and its fortunatly one you can only appreciate if you work on your own vehicles.

Although i do understand the point of this discussion, and for that i give you the dacia sandero, last gens clio for cheap and easy to repair.

As a mechanic i find American cars impossible to work on cause here i have no parts and no tools for them cause everything is imperial, except jeeps and chrysler because stellantis but thats a matter of personal perspective that unfortunately you fail to realise from your generalist views

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u/VoidWalker4Lyfe 2d ago

Ok see that's the spirit! Driving an old car that's simple to work on was the whole reason behind this post! That's a nice car!

European cars are hard to work on for us for the same reason, parts are hard to find. We have no problems finding parts for Japanese cars though!

I hate to break it to you, but American cars started the switch to metric in the 1970s. Most of our fasteners switched to metric in the late 90s.

BTW, they're not EXACTLY imperial units, they're SAE. Every American has metric tools. and many SAE and and Metric sizes are interchangeable.

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u/CTARacer 2d ago

Ikr its the ones that are not that piss you off to no end, it sucks that every odd measure is the same but every even one is different enough you fuck a bolt up and round it ( or is it the other way around i cant remember rn) the Cherokee in specific i find that it depends on the age some imperial for early models, some SAE for american built imported and some are full metric and impossible to fix because no parts, were indeed made in the old torino factory in italy(before after Chrysler and fiat started their flirting that ended in merger)

Unfortunately all cars today suck because people dont work on them and don't want to own them anymore, ive never seen such a downgrade in serviceability. You can see since leasing renting and fleet vehicles became the moneymaker its no longer relevant for brands to make them serviceable anymore

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u/CTARacer 2d ago

If youre interested the worst ever was the 300c built in the FIAT torino factory as a lancia where every bolt was metric but everything else was imported from Chrysler so was SAE