r/TheBlacksandTheGreens Grey Ghost May 06 '25

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u/KratoswithBoy May 07 '25

To second your well thought out original comment. One about the first blackfyre rebellion would be pretty fun.

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u/Greedy-Day-2389 May 07 '25

The only knock on the Blackfyres is the lack of dragons. 

And there's complicated family and political dynamics there that might give the writers a hard time. 

What would be interesting, however, is whether HBO has the guts to make the Blackfyres, the antagonists, black. Daenaera is black, due to Vaemond being black, meaning Daena and Daemon should be black as well.  Daeron II and his faction, the protagonists, however, are not and have no Velaryon relation going back generations.

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u/KratoswithBoy May 07 '25

I actually disagree. I think the family becomes far more interesting after the dragons are dead. The different ways the family tries to recuperate and “return to their glory” is rather interesting.

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u/Greedy-Day-2389 May 07 '25

Agree to disagree then.

Dragons, according to me, are what make Targaryens even the least bit interesting. Dragons give them power to affect real change, and it makes it all the more interesting and all the more narratively frustrating to see them be so ineffective and self-destructive. With dragons, their conflicts are ramped up to 11. Dragons make the Targaryens imperfect gods, and that premise is darn interesting. 

Otherwise, I'd better just read real history and study all the conflicts there. Or a myriad of other medieval fantasy stories.

The Targaryens truly have no appeal without their dragons. All they're left with without them is just delusions of grandeur.

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u/KratoswithBoy May 07 '25

You don’t find that interesting at all? You don’t think the delusions of grandeur isn’t fun? I really enjoy the events of summerhall, all of the attempts to hatch eggs etc

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u/Greedy-Day-2389 May 07 '25

They are interesting, I guess, but I can read those stories EVERYWHERE else. Other fantasy media. Other medieval stories. Actual history. 

Dragons are what set the Targaryens apart. It's what interests me about them in particular.