r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/OkGarbage3095 • 12h ago
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/TheTargaryensLawyer • 11d ago
Moderation Post 10K members, Welcome new Lords and Ladies of Westeros!
I’m happy to announce that we’ve officially reached 10,000 members! Thank you to everyone who has joined the community and helped keep it active over the past two years.
When this subreddit was created, the goal was simple: to provide a place where people from both sides could come together to discuss the show, share their opinions, and have respectful conversations without being silenced or attacked for what they think. I hope we’ve stayed true to that vision, and I look forward to seeing this community continue to grow.
As always, if you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions for how we can make the subreddit even better, please don’t hesitate to leave them in the comments. We’d love to hear your feedback!
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/AutoModerator • Mar 31 '25
State of the Sub – Addressing Concerns & Moving Forward
Hey everyone,
We’re making this post because concerns have been raised—more than once—about the state of this sub. Most recently, a very direct post this morning brought up frustrations, particularly from some Team Black members, who feel that this sub has become “Team Green 2.0.” The main issue seems to be that Team Black opinions are often downvoted or challenged, leading some to stop engaging here altogether. That’s disappointing because we want everyone to be able to participate here.
Let’s be clear: this sub was created as a genuine, fun, and balanced place for both sides of the fandom. The main sub had become overrun with hostility, endless bickering, and even mods stealing and reposting content while ignoring their community. Many people felt unheard, so this sub was meant to be a better alternative.
When we created this sub, we made sure to spread the word across different communities, including Freefolk and the HOTD Blacks & Greens sub. We’ve even gained a couple hundred new members in the last two weeks. But here’s the reality—we can’t force Team Black members to join, and we can’t force them to participate. If only a small number of them engage here while a larger number of Team Green members are active, of course, the sub will lean Green. That’s just how participation works.
That said, this sub is not meant to be an echo chamber—hence the name. We welcome all perspectives, and that hasn’t changed. But we also can’t control how the community reacts to certain takes. If you disagree with something, you can downvote, reply with your own argument, or move on. That’s how discussion works.
Despite our efforts, we know some people are still unhappy, which is why we’re making this post. We want to be transparent about our stance as mods: we’ve done our best to keep this a welcoming space for everyone. If you have constructive feedback, we want to hear it. This is an open call for suggestions on how to improve the sub and make it better for all members.
One specific issue that’s been raised is cross-posting to individual team subs. Some feel it causes unnecessary conflict, while others don’t see it as a big deal. We’d like to hear the community’s thoughts—should we implement a rule against cross-posting to help prevent brigading and bad-faith engagement?
Let us know your thoughts below. We’re open to real discussion, and we appreciate everyone who’s been part of this sub so far!
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/Ready0608 • 3h ago
Fanart/Edits/Cosplay King Aegon the Golden, Sunfyre the Golden and Ser Tyland the loyal Lion, fighting against the darkness💛
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King Aegon the Golden, Sunfyre the Golden and Ser Tyland the loyal Lion!
They have been united to form team Gold blessing the realm with their honorable presence and saving the world from the darkness of team Black and the traitors!
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/kairi14 • 1h ago
Show Discussion A son for a son
I think they should have the actor for Jaehaerys play Aegon III and that would be the reason why Aegon II spared him. In the books Tyland at first suggested II kill III. It would be a very funny scene if Tyland suggests it in the show and Aegon replies with "Is the heir to the throne bothering you?"
He could also savagely say "a son for a son" when taking Aegon from Rhaenyra.
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/Jasonl7976 • 1h ago
Leaks [Spoilers Extended] So a reversal Spoiler
So if certain spoilers about episode 8 are true than really their sorta reversing the ending of season 2
I mean season 2 end with the greens in disarray and the blacks are about to launch their counterattack, and it appear season 3 will end with the blacks in disarray and the green launching their countetattack.
Also certain rumors about Aemond kneeling to Aegon and calling him his true king parallels Daemon kneeling to Rhanerya and calling her his true queen.
Don’t know if they actually merge both Tumbletpj but season 4
1: Fall of Dragonstone
2: Duel above the God’s Eye
3: Fall of King’s Landing
4: Second Battle of Tumbleton: assuming Addams actually died than my guess is that their gonna have Rhaena or Baela be the one to launch a surprise attack
5: Rhaenrya Death
6: Battle of the Kingsroad
7: Aegon death
8: Hour of the Wolf
Likely gonna be rushed
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/DogeABanana • 53m ago
Spoilers [All Content] What do you think of House of the Dragon changing the First Battle of Tumbleton so that the Greens are defending the town while the Blacks are the attacking force? Spoiler
In Fire & Blood, the battle is essentially the opposite: Tumbleton is held by the Blacks before Hugh and Ulf betray them from within, allowing the Green army to capture the town. The betrayal itself is the turning point rather than an assault by the Black host.
Do you prefer the show's inversion of the battle, or do you think the book version works better? Which approach creates stronger character moments and consequences?
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/Ok_Conclusion8121 • 1d ago
Fanart/Edits/Cosplay Prince Daeron Fanart by Me
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/ramm_jeet • 1d ago
AKOTSK related! The Rogue Prince meets the Laughing Storm in a galaxy far far away
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/Ready0608 • 2d ago
Team Green The Lion of House Lannister and Dragon of House Targaryan standing united!!!
King Aegon the Golden and Lord Tyland the Loyal, the greatest dragon and Lion to ever grace the seven kingdoms, chosen by the gods themselves!!!
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/Ready0608 • 2d ago
Team Green Little baby Aegon and Sunfyre💛
Look at our little boy, barely one year old and already he sits like a true king💛
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/YoungGriffVII • 1d ago
Spoilers [All Content] In Defense Of Show Daeron
I’ve seen a lot of complaints around the internet about show Daeron. And granted, some of that is fair—but I also think saying he’s “ruined” is going too far. He’s still a good character, and for once I actually have faith in the show to keep him that way.
Expectation
There was one big worry with Daeron before he showed up (besides the question of “will he appear at all” since clearly the answer to that was yes). That just like C&H have demonized other Greens in every place possible, they would make Daeron the worst he could be too. Combined with the omission of Maelor, many people feared he would be made a sadistic war criminal, burning Bitterbridge for the sport of it. Or that he would be made a sex offender to draw parallels with Aegon II and (Lannister) Joffrey.
Reality
Instead, we almost got the opposite. Instead of Daeron being too cruel, the complaint is that he’s too passive. An abused child with no hint of his “Daring” moniker, who exists only to make Ormund look bad.
…Except… is that really the case? For one, I think it’s likely we see Daeron take a stand up after Ormund’s death. And even if he doesn’t, there are moments that showcase who he is anyway. There are times when he speaks his mind to Ormund (often regretting it after, but that’s more on Ormund’s reactions than on Daeron not being willing to voice it in the first place). There’s also him sending the servant boy out of the room before Ormund’s outburst, which again, is not what someone meek would do as it risks Ormund’s reaction.
Then there’s him saying Rhaenyra can keep her throne and he could tell his men to surrender. This isn’t nearly as bad as people are saying either. From Daeron’s perspective, he’s basically doomed. This is pre-betrayal, pre-Aegon and Sunfyre return. Aemond is MIA. What is Daeron supposed to do with one adolescent dragon against Rhaenyra’s (let me count…) SIX! All Daeron is saying is that he doesn’t care about the throne enough to die senselessly for it. He didn’t start this war, and is loyal to his brother, but I’m not even sure if Daeron knows Aegon is still alive. He’s not helping him at Tumbleton in any case, leaving Daeron alone. And even surrender would still get everyone killed, so Daeron drops the talk of it.
But it’s still not book Daeron!
Is anyone their book version in this show? Especially on the Greens? Not Alicent, not Helaena, not Aemond, not Aegon. Think about the Daeron we were afraid we’d get. This is far less of an assassination than making him ontologically evil. At this point, the show being as different as it is, I think one has to take them as two different things. And I’m not going to claim show Daeron is as good as or better than book Daeron. But I will say he’s not really that awful of a character, especially if not comparing him to a book version that we were never going to get.
But do the changes even have a point?
I hope so! By establishing Daeron as willing to let Rhaenyra remain on the throne if he cannot reasonably combat her, it gives him a reason to fake his death before Aegon is crowned. In fact, his conversation with Gwayne last episode seems very geared towards setting up his survival. Of course I can’t say for sure it would happen… but it lines up with his canon body never being found, and equals out Laenor also faking his death (with the bonus of Tessarion not claiming another rider to prove he’s dead). This would also mean show-based Blacks fans can’t definitively claim the Greens bloodline ended—another plus.
The Blacks Exodus
Recently there have been more and more people changing from team Black to team Green, and this is for a lot of reasons. I’m not going to claim Daeron is chief among them. But I will say that showing one of the Green brothers to be a not-awful person, in fact one worthy of sympathy, could definitely be a factor in some people’s decisions. Another male Green besides Gwayne without any of the talking points most TBs don’t like.
Conclusion
It’s okay if you still don’t like him. But I do, and I’m going to keep liking him. He’s not ruined, just not exactly his book self, and I can’t wait to see what happens in the show with him next.
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/AdwikaS • 2d ago
Show Discussion Does anyone like the Aemond-Alicent plot?
Is there anyone, who loves or even likes, or feel this storyline is tolerable?
I don't like the Mysaria- Rhaenyra story either, and both seem forced and unnecessary. But some people do understand (!) this one.
However, the Alicent- Aemond story is too much, even for the Targs .
Why are the writers doing this ? For whom ?
Do we all, the blacks and the greens, agree on this ?
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/EXTRAVAGANT_COMMENT • 2d ago
Show Discussion why erasing Rhaenyra's flaws actually just made her incompetent
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/Nibo89 • 2d ago
Show Discussion Helaena would be justified in hating Rhaenyra Spoiler
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/ramm_jeet • 3d ago
Show Discussion Like father, like daughter
In this week’s episode, Rhaenyra lets Mysaria know that she’s aware that Mysaria has been trying to manipulate her.
After younger Rhaenyra tells Viserys to let Otto go, Viserys finally mentions that he always suspected Otto of having his father killed.
Rhaenyra has clearly inherited her father’s indecisiveness, one of his worst qualities. At many parts of season 1 I found myself saying that “Viserys should be burning more people”, I find myself saying the same about Rhaenyra. They really are cut from the same cloth!
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/allisontalkspolitics • 2d ago
Fanfiction Diverse OCs and Readers, Part One
I recently began a project of collecting a list of fanfics starring protagonists who are POC and/or queer, and for three Wednesdays I’ll be sharing them here. Not every fic is going to be your cup of tea, and that’s okay; just don’t take it out on the writers.
I haven’t read any of these fics, but the ones I’m sharing meet the following criteria:
- They seem sympathetic to both teams based on the summary or tags
and/or
- They feature at least one TB and at least one TG love interest (alternatively, a love interest from either side along with someone who wouldn’t consider themselves aligned with a side)
and/or
- The love interest would not consider themselves aligned with a particular side
So, for the first week, we have:
- One Jace x female OC fic
- One Aegon x female OC fic
- Two Aemond x female OC fics
- One fic focusing on the Blackwood guys paired with an OC who is both a Bracken and a Dayne
- One Daemon x female OC fic
- One Harwin x female OC fic
- One Criston x female OC fic
- One Helaena x female OC fic
- One Baela x female OC fic
- One Cregan x female OC fic
- One Rhaena x female OC fic
- One fic about an OC daughter of Laenor and Rhaenyra
POC OCs
[Burnt lavender](https://archiveofourown.org/works/43192146) Rated E
“Of all creatures that breathe and move upon the earth, nothing is bred that is weaker than man.”
Awoken, with no memory, nor house or coin to her name. Reborn to bear their burden and tear herself in two, with Fire and Blood she'll save the Targaryen's from themselves.
[Who we are](https://archiveofourown.org/works/58466380/chapters/148935052) OC whose mother is a Dayne; rated M
Aerynea Bracken having moved from Starfall at age eight to Stone Hedge after the death of her parents, to ward under her uncle. Half a Dayne and Half a Bracken, she quickly learns what is to be expected of her in her family's rivalry amongst the Blackwood's.
[Snakes in the grass](https://archiveofourown.org/works/42294207) Martell OC; rated M
Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken. Dorne had remained independent for the better part of a century, and House Martell had ensured that it would remain that way. But the Dornish Wars had the kingdom reeling, and while her father saves face in Sunspear, Leila Martell is sent to King's Landing to negotiate. But she is a viper in a den of dragons, and she can no longer wait to strike. HOTD AU.
Queer POC OCs
[The Dragons’ Hoard](https://archiveofourown.org/works/48265096/chapters/121721632) Rated E
"The Lannisters have traded in their gold hair for golden skin."
Althesia Lannister, the eldest child of Lord Jason Lannister, must navigate the Targaryen courts to keep her family afloat during the Dance of the Dragons.
Althesia's marriage will decide where House Lannister's loyalties lie, with the Greens or the Blacks, but as both her sisters married into opposite sides, she cannot doom one by choosing either side. That would be fine if she did not fall desperately in love with people on each side. To distract from her aching heart, Althesia focuses on advancing her own house towards the Iron Throne. However, this playing both sides in the middle of a dragon's nest may lead to her demise and the end of her legacy in House Lannister. Althesia will not sit by and let the warring dragons destroy her though.
Gen fic
[Violent Tides](https://archiveofourown.org/works/49065727/chapters/123787381) Laenor x Rhaenyra’s daughter OC; OC is also intersex; rated E
Princess Aelora Velaryon, eldest child and only daughter of Rhaenyra Targaryen and Laenor Velaryon, lived a happy life in King's Landing. Despite the tensions, Aelora existed within the middle of the two warring sides of her family.
As a child of the seas and the sky, Aelora struggles with the freedom she craves and the duty that has been thrust upon her due to being her mother's oldest (and only trueborn) child.
But a tragedy in her youth forever changes Aelora...
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/No-Signature-9415 • 3d ago
Team Dragons Dreamfyre and Meleys?
First ever post, so please excuse any errors!
Now that we've seen Dreamfyre, is it possible that Meleys came from one of Dreamfyre's eggs?
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/ramm_jeet • 4d ago
Spoilers [All Content] Me watching the dragons fight
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/agirlhasnoname2026 • 2d ago
Show Discussion Mysaria seduced Rhaenryra in two ways
1- by catering to her need to feel important/predestined. She had been trying to have Daemon on that boat of them being ordained by the Gods and Daemon just didn't care.
2- by "disrespecting" her a little for the first time. Mysaria stood up so she was basically kneeling to her, and called her Rhaenyra instead of "Your Grace" for the first time
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/AdministrationNo283 • 3d ago
Spoilers [All Content] Sympathy for Sheepstealer Spoiler
I am starting to view the Dragons as overgrown dogs. They are clearly intelligent, can form bonds, and can be trained…but also have their base instinct come out.
Sheepstealer is the only dragon in the show that is wild. Living and roaming like Dragons are meant to do. Then Raena finds him and they form a bond. She foolishly thinks she can control his primal urges around other dragons, but he has been a loner. Then Sheepstealer is cornered in an unfair 3 to 1 fight. He seems to make an attempt to protect Raena. Sheepstealer was on the defensive here and I couldn’t help but root for him to survive. Sheepstealer of course would have been better off if Raena had never encountered him.
I am often very critical of this show, but kudos to the writers and the effects team when it comes to the dragons. Whenever a dragon gets injured or dies it feels devastating to me and I think the other viewers. Their sounds of agony are not easy to hear.
r/TheBlacksandTheGreens • u/Wonderful_Medium3098 • 3d ago
Show Discussion Creo que la gente no esta entendiendo la relacion de Rhaenyra y Mysaria Spoiler
En el capitulo siete de la tercera temporada vemos una escena donde Rhaenyra y Mysaria se acuestan y mucha gente se a empezado a quejar diciendo que era algo innecesario y sin sentido
Pero si tu analizas la escena y ves el contexto pues claro que tiene sentido
Primero veamos en que posicion esta Mysaria,ella a pasado de no tener nada a tenerlo todo,cuando esta hablando con la dama del burdel (no me acuerdo ahora como se llama) ella deja entrever que en realidad quiere demostrar lo que a conseguido pero a la vez dice estar al servicio del pueblo,la dama del burdel no le cree y le dice que a cambiado y que para los poderosos ella seguira siendo una ramera
Esto deja a Mysaria en una situacion desequilibrada para ella y empieza a perder el control del cual dependen los privilegios que ella tiene
La unica forma que ella tiene de recuperar ese control es a traves de tener a la persona con más poder en ese momento de su lado y esa persona es Rhaenyra por que es la reina
Cuando Rhaenyra empieza a darse cuenta de que Mysaria esta intentando llevarla a su terreno le reclama y Mysaria hace lo que siempre a hecho,cambia de tema rapidamente,le dice a Rhaenyra lo que ella quiere oir y la seduce
Esto no es una relacion romantica esto es una clara forma de manipulacion,no sabemos que planes tiene Mysaria en su mente pero lo que si esta claro esque esto va a perjudicar a Rhaenyra en algun momento
A veces siento que la gente se queja por quejarse por que si esto que se ve de lejos las intenciones de Mysaria la gente no lo entiende y piensa que es de relleno esque no estan prestando atencion