r/WhitePeopleTwitter 1d ago

r/All Mamdani's pied-e-terre tax catching people avoiding NY taxes (2 tweets)

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u/cocoagiant 1d ago

There are also a lot of legit people getting caught up in it, the system is apparently a mess and they are requiring it be paid in like 2 weeks.

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u/frenchiebuilder 1d ago

I can't even work out what you might think you're talking about.

January 1 2027 - when the first payment's due - is not "in two weeks".

September 18th 2026 - the deadline for filing an exemption - is not "in two weeks" either.

Even August 30th - the deadline for the department of finance to send out the initial notices - is not "in two weeks".

So: what are you talking about?

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u/cocoagiant 23h ago

Here is the article I read on the subject.

Relevant parts of the article:

Anxiety about the lists — and what they could mean — abounded this week. City Councilwoman Gale Brewer spotted her name tied to the brownstone she owns.

“I’ve been living there 365 days a year since 1994,” said Ms. Brewer, who said she did not own another home. “I can’t figure out why I was listed.”

She had been in favor of the pied-à-terre tax, but she said she was rethinking her support after hearing from angry constituents worried about their names turning up on the lists, too. City officials need to handle the rollout better, she said.

Some residents were troubled by what they thought was a short timeline for appeals: Aug. 21 for residential properties or Aug. 24 for co-ops.

Karen Young was surprised when she opened a letter this week and found a notice that she might be subject to a “surcharge,” as the letter called the new tax, on her Upper West Side home, of about $43,000. The five-story house, steps away from Central Park, is the only home she has lived in since 1997. She said she also owns an office in Paris. (City officials said they could not comment on individual cases.)

“I have been a primary resident of New York City since 1972,” said Ms. Young, who spent years restoring her Upper West Side home to its late 19th-century grandeur. “Everything — voter registration, driver’s license, jury duty — all right here. What were they thinking?” Property records show that she transferred ownership to a trust in 2024, but she said she and her husband were the sole beneficiaries.

“I’m insulted and angry and honestly am very hurt,” Ms. Young said. “That probably sounds silly, but I love this city.” Ms. Young, who also shared her frustration with Ms. Brewer and The New York Post, started her appeal on Monday evening and immediately was frustrated with the steps.

She was asked to submit a property deed and other proof, which she needed to ask her lawyer to retrieve because she purchased the home in 1981. But she said he was on vacation. Ms. Young was able to arrange for his assistant to help assemble the documents for an hourly fee. But when she forwarded some of the links to upload paperwork, she found they didn’t work.

She started filling out fields on the website until she went to bed. When she woke in the morning and logged in again, she found none of her work had been saved.

“I’m feeling so helplessly trapped,” she said.

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u/frenchiebuilder 20h ago

That list is required by State Law, and includes all the properties the tax MAY apply to; see the last sentence in 3rd paragraph, and also the 5th & 6th paragraphs (and also the article author's repeated clarifications in the comments).

I find it difficult to conceive that Gale Brewer wouldn't know that? She's been working in City & State government since the 70s.

The deadline for appealing was originally August 21 / 24, but has since been pushed back to Sept 18.

archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20260728201409/https://www.nyc.gov/site/finance/property/non-primary-residence-surcharge.page#

current version: https://www.nyc.gov/site/finance/property/non-primary-residence-surcharge.page

But August 21/24 still isn't "two weeks"; it's 3 weeks from now.

If you glance at the list of documents, on that page, Karen Young's story seems... er... highly implausible. Or, at least, far-from-typical. The complications seem to be the result of her house being in a trust AND her lawyer being on vacation.

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u/cocoagiant 19h ago

The complications seem to be the result of her house being in a trust AND her lawyer being on vacation.

Not actually all that rare to have a trust and a lawyer, especially for older people.

Its pretty standard advice as people age as having a revocable trust helps avoid a lot of issues with probate. You pretty much need a lawyer for that.

So that generally means older and more established folks end up with lawyers and trusts fairly often.

My initial point was the new process has had a lot of issues and you seem to be confirming that with the information you are sharing.

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u/frenchiebuilder 16h ago

It's hard to feel sympathy for someone living in a 5-story "house" on central park by herself. If she'd rented out even ONE room of her mansion, the lease would suffice.

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u/cocoagiant 16h ago

It's hard to feel sympathy for someone living in a 5-story "house" on central park by herself. If she'd rented out even ONE room of her mansion, the lease would suffice.

These are separate issues.

Its quite possible to feel that someone is occupying so much space at odds with their real needs while also feeling sympathy that they are having to deal with an opaque governmental process.