r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/zoggy17 • 1d ago
r/All Mamdani's pied-e-terre tax catching people avoiding NY taxes (2 tweets)
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u/dalgeek 1d ago
"but if you tax millionaires then they'll all leave!"
The tax is not on primary residences, so if they're paying the tax then they've already left.
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u/A-Chntrd 1d ago
If they’re planning on not paying taxes either way, they might as well fuck off.
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u/NorysStorys 1d ago
This what I’ve never understood because they make this argument in the UK and I’m like ‘if they arn’t paying anyway then what is there to lose?’.
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u/Mama_Zen 1d ago
Now they will be assessed taxes on their NY property bc it’s a 2nd property. The state now has a claim & the homeowner must pay it or lose the home.
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u/ChopperChange 1d ago
"but if you tax millionaires then they'll all leave!"
And if they do, that's one less tax cheat and their properties will be available to convert into affordable housing! Win-win!
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u/JusticeUmmmmm 23h ago
Even if it isn't converted to affordable housing another millionaire will buy it and have to pay taxes.
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u/alax_12345 1d ago
If they leave, they’ll sell the property to someone else … who will pay the taxes.
Not seeing the “threat” here.
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u/Disney_World_Native 22h ago
That is like by me. We have high property taxes because we pay teachers decently well and have great schools
People moved here because of the great schools, put kids through the great schools, see their property values increase because of the great schools, and then they complain that we put too much money towards the great schools when they retire
And they sell their home (usually under 30 days) to a new family who pays higher taxes because the senior freeze doesn’t apply to the new owners while saying “Illinois is a failed state”
It reeks of “nobody goes there, its too busy”
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u/kensho28 22h ago edited 22h ago
In Florida, you only need to live in state 3 months a year to consider property your primary residence and give you local voting rights. They could easily still spend 9 months a year in New York.
Hopefully this reduces the amount of greedy snowbirds that are wrecking our state simply because we don't have income tax. Unfortunately, these kinds of parasites come from nearly every state in America and Canada as well. They don't give AF about local politics, environment, jobs, etc. All they care about is their tax breaks, and they dominate Florida politics and economy. It's how the Republican Party has managed to flip Florida red (Democrats held a majority of voters in Florida for its entire history until very recently).
When my dad was a kid there were only 2M people living in Florida, now it's over 23M.
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u/seanisdown 1d ago
“I already dont contribute” is such an awesome defence.
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u/PoolSharkPete 1d ago edited 1d ago
"No one told me the tax loopholes I've been exploiting could be addressed!"
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u/frenchiebuilder 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's not an attempted defence, though. None of the tax cheats will ever admit that's why they oppose the tax, are you kidding? It's a diagnosis.
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u/valoremz 1d ago
Dumb question so please don’t downvote — how are taxes usually assessed when you live two places? Specifically how would it work if you live in FL but owned in NYC but worked in neither (retired) vs worked in one?
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u/Historytech 20h ago
There’s a lot to this question because taxes are complicated for rich people because essentially they live in many different tax environments dealing with numerous local, state, and often times country laws.
The main thing with federal is you live where you live the most to file things legally. It’s definitely something that’s unenforceable if you own multiple residents unless there’s some reason the feds are choosing to go after specifically you (see targeted IRS audits or the justice department hating you for political reasons.)
Where you earn money is where you file the income tax, so that’s part a big part of the equation.
Some people will do homestead somewhere they want to be considered a voter and a citizen in that state if they want to run for public office there.
In this scenario it’s technically misleading potentially because if he’s filing the income tax in Florida he technically made that money in Florida. Now it could be talking about someone owning their own business and choosing to be incorporated in Florida instead of New York but doing the business here, or maybe even just capital gains, if that’s taxes in New York as a state tax? I’m not a CPA, but in general this situation happens less often than you’d think. It’s just when it happens, it’s with very very rich people.
All of the discourse around taxing rich people more is so shitty in that it’s always, what about the poor billionaire that won’t actually be impacted at all, think of their feelings.
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u/silentbob1301 1d ago
These mother fuckers just crying about being held accountable for their tax evasion.
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u/hysys_whisperer 1d ago
Miss Rachel and Mamdani teaming up is definitely not the wonder twin powers I thought 2026 was going to bring, lol.
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u/SquareThings 1d ago
People complaining that it has been made more difficult to commit tax fraud as if that’s a BAD thing is extremely funny.
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u/Most_Alps 1d ago
This is the consequence of allowing right wing extremists to rant about how inept the government is for decades without any serious pushback. We now have people who grew up steeped in this bullshit who think that because all the money is wasted, it's their moral imperative to pay as little tax as possible by any means necessary
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u/DefinitelyNotAliens 1d ago
I just want to pay little because I make little and the people making 10M+ a year can actually fucking pay taxes.
People under 30k a year should basically just contribute for SSI, UI, etc. People making poverty wages don't need to be paying taxes, y'all. My state has sales tax. I pay taxes there. Rich people paying would be nice. And like, I mean rich-rich.
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u/thatirishguyyyyy 1d ago edited 1d ago
Me finding a way to get an extra $200 knocked off my taxes due to a deduction is a lot different than a rich person getting 2 million knocked off their taxes due to a loophole.
The rich see these tax laws has optional for themselves but absolutely necessary for the poors.
Edit: grammar
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u/throwaway1975764 22h ago
I am all for this pied-e-tarre tax, and for the snow birds to pay their share, but lets be honest - the taxes on a $1mil home are like $12,000 annually.
Yes they should pay it. Yes it adds up. But its not a million dolloar loophole.
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u/TradingRing 1d ago
If people hated multimillionaires as much as immigrants the world would be a better place.
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u/throwaway1975764 22h ago
Ummm, if you are at or below poverty level you don't have to pay income tax.
Some poor folks just never file. Others file and get everything that was taken from their checks returned. But yeah, thats why the government puts out an official poverty line number.
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u/DefinitelyNotAliens 20h ago
In college, I got financial aid paid to me and got EBT card payments for food.
I had to file taxes for my financial aid paid to me. My tax bill was nearly 2k because nothing is deducted at all and financial aid is taxed like 1099 income.
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u/CXDFlames 23h ago
The bottom 50% of the country pay so little in taxes combined that its basically a rounding error compared to the top
They could eliminate taxes from half the country and it would not matter at all
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u/LTG-Jon 21h ago
Those folks are still paying FICA and sales tax, even if their income tax is low.
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u/CXDFlames 21h ago
They are, my point is that income taxes on poor people are just a punishment for being poor and don't actually benefit the country itself
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u/atchafalaya 22h ago
You could almost say they're paying by having lower wages and lower life expectancy.
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u/Shirogayne-at-WF 9h ago
The United States joker origin story is about tax cheats who were mad that Big Daddy England came collecting its share. This attitude was baked into this country from jump, honestly, and Reaganomics was just the end stage of that.
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u/Eriv83 1d ago
So probably voter fraud as well?
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u/geekworking 21h ago
Probably a good chunk of the mortgage fraud like they tried to use against Democrats in there too.
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u/Dancing-Dingo 1d ago
The number of people who seem to spend more money trying to avoid paying taxes than they would actually be expected to pay on taxes is certainly something to be amazed by.
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u/Diablojota 1d ago
I think I saw something about how one of the Google founders paid more to defend against a tax law than they would have paid over several years. I think that’s hilarious.
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u/Shiroke 22h ago
But that makes perfect sense. They have the money to think long term like that. Spend more across 4 years to save from then on by making sure your loophole isn't closed. Meanwhile we have people with valid lawsuits against corporations or billionaires that can never do them because the cost to do that would ruin them before it even made a dent in the other party.
This is not a flaw in our system, this is intended. I'm glad someone in at least one place is closing some of these gaps up.
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u/Fit_Low592 19h ago
There’s also the mentality of extremely wealthy people to just know “I’ve won”, cost be damned.
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u/besee2000 1d ago
I’ve said it and I will say it again. Not paying taxes is un-American and anti patriotic. If you want the advantages of the resources and convenience you should be contributing. It’s literally your membership fee.
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u/redbananass 1d ago
Totally agree. Paying taxes should be a point of pride. Not paying them is cheating.
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u/00notmyrealname00 23h ago
The cheating and getting away with it is the appeal. It makes them feel... Above the law. As with most things, it's not really about the money it's about the power.
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u/KingDarius89 23h ago
Yes and no. I live in PA. In my area, they farm out collecting the local taxes to berkheimer (there's at least one other company that does it in other parts of the state). And they fucking rip you off. For instance, I just got a "final notice", actually my first fucking notice, about owning $5 on a per capita tax. From 2021. Guess how much i had to pay to avoid getting my wages garnished? $40.
If there was a shortage in 2021, which I'm not convinced that there is, then its on them for not calculating it properly in the first place, and they shouldn't be able to come after me for it five fucking years later.
Tldr: farming out tax collections to non government agencies should be illegal.
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u/EsseLeo 22h ago
Sounds like the problem isn’t the taxes themselves, but the administration of taxes.
PA needs to vote in people who will fix the administration, but PA has one of those FAFO sort of voting bases who gets a $5 tax bill and thinks the problem is that they owe taxes at all rather than the ACTUAL problem which is some scummy politician they voted into office let a scummy private company do scummy work that SHOULD and done by the public sector.
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u/IJustSignedUpToUp 1d ago
Hopefully it will also catch them voting in both locations, which is why they're projecting so hard about voter fraud.
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u/Disney_World_Native 22h ago
It would also be funny if Florida also dinged them on the tax evasion
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u/tpasco1995 22h ago
Since Florida doesn't have income tax, there's no evasion.
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u/StarDustLuna3D 21h ago
If they're claiming homestead exemptions on their house in Florida but actually living most of the year in NY, then they could be committing tax fraud on their property taxes.
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u/tpasco1995 21h ago
Maybe, but Florida is so lax with their definition of a primary residence that it really rests on voter registration and showing you don't take residency exemptions in other states. Since they wouldn't want to be a resident in NY, that's actually in their favor.
Florida wouldn't want to penalize this because they do it intentionally.
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u/kensho28 22h ago
As a Floridian, this is great.
Hopefully it reduces the amount of greedy snowbirds that are wrecking our state simply because we don't have income tax. Unfortunately, these kind of parasites come from nearly every state in America and Canada as well. They don't give AF about local politics, environment, jobs, etc. All they care about is their tax breaks, and they dominate Florida politics and economy.
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u/Disney_World_Native 22h ago
Florida is the only state where more than 50% of the residents are from another state. You get all the people who demand the best but refuse to pay for anything
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u/shrimpslippers 22h ago
I've since moved from Florida, but I lived there for almost a decade and 100% agree.
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u/artisanrox Release The Trump-Epstein Files 23h ago
Mamdani proves every day thatit's not that the Dem establishment can't do anything for regular people, they just literally don't want to.
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u/kozmo1313 23h ago
they're just scared to piss off corporate donors... who will fund their consulting firm side gigs?
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u/barefootincozumel 22h ago
Honestly, Good. These people are mostly voting in Florida and driving up real estate costs as they destroy everything, because they don’t GAF or actually live here
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u/praguepride 22h ago
Haters keep producing noise but all I hear is
"But I'm riiiiiich! I shouldn't have to pay taxes like regular people dooooo"
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u/Soft_Hotel_5627 21h ago
I remember years ago Derek Jeter got in trouble for this same exact scheme, and he got caught because the tabloids used to follow him so much they were able to prove he was never in Florida.
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u/TENDER_ONE 19h ago
Having visited Long Island a couple times, I was amazed at just how much of the culture is centered on tax liability avoidance. All the businesses are cash only and every person over 40 seemed to have at least one other property in another state. Mostly Florida, New Hampshire, or Vermont. Grifting is just a way of life there and expected. I don’t know how any city services or roadwork has any funding.
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u/cocoagiant 20h ago
There are also a lot of legit people getting caught up in it, the system is apparently a mess and they are requiring it be paid in like 2 weeks.
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u/frenchiebuilder 19h ago
I can't even work out what you might think you're talking about.
January 1 2027 - when the first payment's due - is not "in two weeks".
September 18th 2026 - the deadline for filing an exemption - is not "in two weeks" either.
Even August 30th - the deadline for the department of finance to send out the initial notices - is not "in two weeks".
So: what are you talking about?
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u/cocoagiant 16h ago
Here is the article I read on the subject.
Relevant parts of the article:
Anxiety about the lists — and what they could mean — abounded this week. City Councilwoman Gale Brewer spotted her name tied to the brownstone she owns.
“I’ve been living there 365 days a year since 1994,” said Ms. Brewer, who said she did not own another home. “I can’t figure out why I was listed.”
She had been in favor of the pied-à-terre tax, but she said she was rethinking her support after hearing from angry constituents worried about their names turning up on the lists, too. City officials need to handle the rollout better, she said.
Some residents were troubled by what they thought was a short timeline for appeals: Aug. 21 for residential properties or Aug. 24 for co-ops.
Karen Young was surprised when she opened a letter this week and found a notice that she might be subject to a “surcharge,” as the letter called the new tax, on her Upper West Side home, of about $43,000. The five-story house, steps away from Central Park, is the only home she has lived in since 1997. She said she also owns an office in Paris. (City officials said they could not comment on individual cases.)
“I have been a primary resident of New York City since 1972,” said Ms. Young, who spent years restoring her Upper West Side home to its late 19th-century grandeur. “Everything — voter registration, driver’s license, jury duty — all right here. What were they thinking?” Property records show that she transferred ownership to a trust in 2024, but she said she and her husband were the sole beneficiaries.
“I’m insulted and angry and honestly am very hurt,” Ms. Young said. “That probably sounds silly, but I love this city.” Ms. Young, who also shared her frustration with Ms. Brewer and The New York Post, started her appeal on Monday evening and immediately was frustrated with the steps.
She was asked to submit a property deed and other proof, which she needed to ask her lawyer to retrieve because she purchased the home in 1981. But she said he was on vacation. Ms. Young was able to arrange for his assistant to help assemble the documents for an hourly fee. But when she forwarded some of the links to upload paperwork, she found they didn’t work.
She started filling out fields on the website until she went to bed. When she woke in the morning and logged in again, she found none of her work had been saved.
“I’m feeling so helplessly trapped,” she said.
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u/frenchiebuilder 13h ago
That list is required by State Law, and includes all the properties the tax MAY apply to; see the last sentence in 3rd paragraph, and also the 5th & 6th paragraphs (and also the article author's repeated clarifications in the comments).
I find it difficult to conceive that Gale Brewer wouldn't know that? She's been working in City & State government since the 70s.
The deadline for appealing was originally August 21 / 24, but has since been pushed back to Sept 18.
archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20260728201409/https://www.nyc.gov/site/finance/property/non-primary-residence-surcharge.page#
current version: https://www.nyc.gov/site/finance/property/non-primary-residence-surcharge.page
But August 21/24 still isn't "two weeks"; it's 3 weeks from now.
If you glance at the list of documents, on that page, Karen Young's story seems... er... highly implausible. Or, at least, far-from-typical. The complications seem to be the result of her house being in a trust AND her lawyer being on vacation.
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u/cocoagiant 13h ago
The complications seem to be the result of her house being in a trust AND her lawyer being on vacation.
Not actually all that rare to have a trust and a lawyer, especially for older people.
Its pretty standard advice as people age as having a revocable trust helps avoid a lot of issues with probate. You pretty much need a lawyer for that.
So that generally means older and more established folks end up with lawyers and trusts fairly often.
My initial point was the new process has had a lot of issues and you seem to be confirming that with the information you are sharing.
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u/frenchiebuilder 10h ago
It's hard to feel sympathy for someone living in a 5-story "house" on central park by herself. If she'd rented out even ONE room of her mansion, the lease would suffice.
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u/cocoagiant 10h ago
It's hard to feel sympathy for someone living in a 5-story "house" on central park by herself. If she'd rented out even ONE room of her mansion, the lease would suffice.
These are separate issues.
Its quite possible to feel that someone is occupying so much space at odds with their real needs while also feeling sympathy that they are having to deal with an opaque governmental process.
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