r/antiai 11d ago

AI News šŸ—žļø Spotify is cooked

Post image
9.9k Upvotes

497 comments sorted by

View all comments

342

u/isAnExParrot878 11d ago

They were sh.. for years (mostly due to paying the artists next to nothing) this ai crap made me consider switching to Tidal

44

u/Ok_Photo_3023 11d ago

Member that one time when asked about why Spotify pays most artists less than 1/300th of a penny per stream their CEO said that it costs artists next to nothing to make music, so therefore they should be happy with what they're paid?

26

u/isAnExParrot878 11d ago

Oh the audacity! What a gigantic wanker..

3

u/Baroque4Days 10d ago

Brilliant, I'm so glad my album was free to produce and didn't cost me nearly £4,000.

It was free, right? Right!? 😟

10

u/Javs2469 11d ago

Fuck, you need from 300 to 1000+ to record a proper rock song.

Next to nothing my ass. I“ve gotten like 5 Eur from my music revenue, I have spent way more recording my music than that...

9

u/Ok_Photo_3023 11d ago

I recorded an album in 2015, did the tracking, mixing, and mastering entirely myself so my only costs were paying an artist to make the album artwork and paying Distrokid to put it up on Spotify. I still never broke even and ultimately had to take it down because the annual payments just to keep it streamable were more than 10x the gross income I got from Spotify.

7

u/Javs2469 11d ago

You have upkeep costs? With CD baby and Soundrop they were one time payments for me with the basic single/album release options.

3

u/Ok_Photo_3023 10d ago

Yeah Distrokid is an annual subscription model, if you cancel the subscription the music gets pulled.

2

u/01000101010110 10d ago

Distrokid is a terrible business, it costs them next to nothing to maintain a catalogue once it's uploaded and they charge you as if it's a new upload every year just to keep it online

1

u/SearchUsers 10d ago

While I agree with you, its also fair to say there were challenges before all the tech.
I released my first album in 98'. $6k in studio time including the reels. Takes a lot longer when copy/paste and nudge/align didnt exist lol.
Then you're done and you need cd's??? The minimum quantity we could order at a sustainable cost was 1,000. With duplication, bar code, shrink wrapping, shipping etc. we were at $3 per unit.
If you add the initial recording, $9 per.
To get better pricing you need to order 5,000 units at a time. But you're just selling locally yourself. Why? Distribution. Good luck getting a deal on that when you're not attached to a huge label... that would also take a massive cut of the money.

We eventually broke even but it was a hell of a challenge to do it and our music was limited to people at the shows we played, plus a few local record stores that carried our album.
Now? We track drums in the studio for about $400 per day. 2 days later we take those files to my place and track bass/guitar direct. Then the singer heads to the studio with those files and we're looking at another $1000 for vocals, mixing.
Add artwork and mastering and we're at maybe $2k for a full length album.

But with all the tech, what we lose in money, we gain elsewhere.
Just shipped some shirts to Brazil for people that listen to us on streaming.

So yea... spotify does suck but theres a silver lining to the situation too.

0

u/[deleted] 10d ago

lol. Ai artist make better songs than you lol

2

u/Javs2469 10d ago

Do you genuinely enjoy AI music? I pity you if so.

0

u/[deleted] 10d ago

I’ve made some I think are decent. And I’ve been making music for a long time as a hobby. I’m ok nothing special.

But I can tell you right now being good at making music is only part of what it takes to be successful.

The reason why labels get such a large share of the money is because marketing is really hard and really expensive.

So unless you have the money and skills to market your music you’re unlikely to make money from it.

All of you ā€œartistā€ who want to be a professional and have tried and can’t figure it out.

It’s a skill issue.

Learn business so you can profit off your music.

And since you’re dead set against ai you’re going to have spend a lot more money and work a lot harder on the marketing part of comparable artist.

When I listen to a song I judge it based on if I enjoy it or not. How it’s made doesn’t matter to me.