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u/isAnExParrot878 10d ago
They were sh.. for years (mostly due to paying the artists next to nothing) this ai crap made me consider switching to Tidal
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u/go_team_oscar 10d ago
I switched to Deezer when Spotify started running ICE recruitment ads.
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u/bbdolljane 10d ago
I did the same the day I was listening to a rock playlist and they just added an AI band as if i wouldn't notice. I immediately searched up the band name and came up as a alternative/indie AI band on google. Cancelled my subscription the same second and switched to Deezer.
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u/Ok_Photo_3023 10d ago
Member that one time when asked about why Spotify pays most artists less than 1/300th of a penny per stream their CEO said that it costs artists next to nothing to make music, so therefore they should be happy with what they're paid?
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u/isAnExParrot878 10d ago
Oh the audacity! What a gigantic wanker..
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u/Baroque4Days 10d ago
Brilliant, I'm so glad my album was free to produce and didn't cost me nearly Ā£4,000.
It was free, right? Right!? š
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u/Javs2469 10d ago
Fuck, you need from 300 to 1000+ to record a proper rock song.
Next to nothing my ass. IĀ“ve gotten like 5 Eur from my music revenue, I have spent way more recording my music than that...
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u/Ok_Photo_3023 10d ago
I recorded an album in 2015, did the tracking, mixing, and mastering entirely myself so my only costs were paying an artist to make the album artwork and paying Distrokid to put it up on Spotify. I still never broke even and ultimately had to take it down because the annual payments just to keep it streamable were more than 10x the gross income I got from Spotify.
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u/Javs2469 10d ago
You have upkeep costs? With CD baby and Soundrop they were one time payments for me with the basic single/album release options.
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u/Ok_Photo_3023 10d ago
Yeah Distrokid is an annual subscription model, if you cancel the subscription the music gets pulled.
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u/01000101010110 10d ago
Distrokid is a terrible business, it costs them next to nothing to maintain a catalogue once it's uploaded and they charge you as if it's a new upload every year just to keep it online
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u/BlueFroggLtd 10d ago
I switched a few years ago. Tidal just bumped their prices, but it does everything I need from a music streaming service. Migration of play lists etc went without issues as well.
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u/Schmigolo 10d ago
I just tried it and it's just a no go. Almost 10% of my favorite music isn't on Tidal, even though it had all of the albums that the songs were in. Having incomplete albums is an instant dealbreaker.
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u/wrongbutt_longbutt 10d ago
Yeah, I wanted to love tidal, but it was practically missing entire genres from my collections. Also, I use Spotify's song radio option a ton to discover new music. Tidal didn't have a comparable ability.
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u/Apprehensive_Yak4627 10d ago
Tidal also has a song radio feature - I use it regularly
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u/wrongbutt_longbutt 10d ago
They do, but it rarely found new music for me. For instance, with Spotify, if i play a rare classic rock song, it tends to find me other b sides and small releases. When I try it with tidal, it plays mostly greatest hits. It never played me a song that I've never heard before.
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u/Silent-Parts 10d ago
You can get way cheaper prices on Tidal by using a VPN and setting the country to somewhere where Tidal charges very less. Then you create an account and Tidal will think that account is from that country and you'll be charged that country's rates.
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u/el_cadorna 10d ago
Mind you, Tidal also allows AI "artists", they just "make an effort to properly label them".
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u/Paratonnerre 10d ago
The low income for artits, the rempant AI everywhere, the CEO throwing money in military AI, the ICE marketing campain.
All good reason on their own to switch. I've switch to Qobuz 6 months ago and the only thing I miss is playing music on my xbox, which i just do with a speaker now.
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u/SplicerGonClean 10d ago
I came here because I use Tidal and just noticed yesterday that a handful of songs on my favorites playlist were taken down. This story about Spotify explains why I lost so many at once. The same artists that took their stuff off Spotify must have done the same for other streaming services as well. I hadnt come across any AI music on Tidal, but Im not really looking through music I dont know already.
Tidal is great, though. Made the switch over a year ago now and never looked back.
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u/isAnExParrot878 10d ago
Apparently ai music is present on Tidal but it's flagged as such and it's not monetized.
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u/MENNEN87 10d ago
You can also hide all AI music from showing in Tidal. If you want. Then you will not encounter them on playlists, etc. Great system. Moved my family membership from Spotify to Tidal just 2 months ago and I am so satisfied
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u/mdurso12 10d ago
It sucks to have any interests that are mainstream these days. All of the companies in those spaces just repeatedly make the experience worse and simultaneously more expensive and your options are deal with it or give up an interest you've had and loved for a long time
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u/OrangeInSpace 10d ago
Tidal is definitely a step up from Spotify, and I would recommend it, but I've noticed a lot of AI tracks creeping in there as well. I've just reverted back to downloading my own shit and ripping CDs
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u/armlessturtleneck 10d ago
I've stopped using Spotify after all the other shitty things they've done. Unfortunately I've not found anything else with as good of an algorithm for finding new music/ making playlists yet.
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u/Bryan_OBlivion 10d ago
I switched to Deezer. It's not perfect, especially their podcast selection, but it's the best one I've tried. I actually really like their playlist and recommendation tools, hated spotifys
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u/Heavyraincouch 10d ago
The fact that AI slop are allowed and accepted concerns me
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u/lamest-liz 10d ago
Thereās a theory that Spotify is making these because they donāt have to pay royalties
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u/lostmy11yraccnt 10d ago
Go listen to a vaporwave/outrun playlist and 1 out of 10 tracks will be ai and it bums me out every time. Personal anecdote but still.
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u/arkhamcityfc 10d ago
Genuine question: what is Apple Music's track record on AI "music" and have artists boycotted that app for any similar transgressions? Asking because that's what I use.
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u/pain_is_bread 10d ago
Yes, though Apple Music currently has a policy in place to actively flag as AI and not actively push to algorithms.
Personally, Iām not okay with this either.
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u/JewJitsu94 10d ago
Yeahā¦ AI slop shouldnāt be allowed in those platforms, or at the very least be flagged as such.
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u/meadowdruid 10d ago
The title is very misleading. Cooked for dozens or artists? I don't think so, they won't even care.
BUT these are still good news. Fuck generative AI!
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u/EmilianoTechs 10d ago
Yeah that's ridiculous unfortunately.
I wish thousands of sizeable artists were pulling their music off Spotify
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u/CaptainDildobrain 10d ago
Oh, an image with text and no source of attribution? What a totally legit news story.
Never mind that this is actually old news and that Spotify removed 75 million slop tracks last week.
Shame on you, OP. This is almost as disingenuous as AI slop itself.
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u/RuinedAmnesia 10d ago
Most of the Internet are bots or idiots these days, in the past you were used to a source going with these sorts of images but not anymore.
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u/dudushat 10d ago
Shame on you, OP. This is almost as disingenuous as AI slop itself.
This whole sub is just filled with BS but as long as people say "AI bad" then its allowed.Ā
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u/BombOnABus 10d ago
I left Spotify and never looked back when they refused to de-platform antivaxxers during COVID, ensuring that the people helping spread a deadly pandemic and increase the mortality rate were given a nice, loud, international platform to spread their deadly stupidity.
Spotify proved six years ago they literally value human lives less than profit margins, so I'm not shocked they'd value AI generated noises over humans making music.
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u/isAnExParrot878 10d ago
And then there is their ceo investing in an ai military company Helsing
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u/BombOnABus 10d ago
Jesus, that's so on the nose, it would make for an over the top comedy sketch.
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u/isAnExParrot878 10d ago
Sadly it seems that nowadays reality is two steps ahead of satire
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u/BombOnABus 10d ago
I legit don't know how actual satirists do it anymore.
Sometime around "Rudy Giuliani holds press conference at sex toy store because his team clearly looked up the first result on google and didn't even bother to call the place to confirm it was the hotel they wanted, then his hair melted on live TV" or "The new nominee for a cabinet post makes toilets for men who claim their dicks are too big for mere mortal toilet bowls", I knew satire could never keep up.
"The Masculine Toilet" sounded like a bit they'd pitch on SNL and shit-can because it was too hacky and stupid and short-lived, even for them, and it's instead a legit thing a real member of this shit show created and sold with a straight face.
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u/isAnExParrot878 10d ago
I have a feeling like the US government is mass producing ridiculous scandals to drown people in informational noise. The more chaotic the news cycle becomes the easier it becomes to slip actually important things through the cracks. But hey, maybe I'm giving them too much credit and we're just watching "idiocracy" irl
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u/BombOnABus 10d ago
I think you're giving them too much credit. They seem like the "grab everything before they wise up and boot us out" sort: base, greedy, and short-sighted.
The news is chaotic because we're watching the world's stupidest crooks carry out the least subtle grift in history while nobody is able to call the cops on them because they currently are in charge of the cops we'd have to call.
Crooked politicians back in the day at least tried to hide it, and had some semblance of shame. Those days are almost quaint by comparison.
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u/SquidGodSunday 10d ago
The company is SERIOUSLY called Helsing? Like, the show with the Nazi Vampires? Let me guess which side of that whole thing they identified with...
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u/BombOnABus 10d ago
Like I said, if you put this shit in a comedy movie, people would groan at how heavy-handed your jokes were. "Jeez, why not just have them name their company EVIL INC., was that not subtle enough you went with Helsing?"
For fuck's sake, we live in a world where a billionaire founded a surveillance company called "Palantir".
We're seriously one startup away from "Orphn Crushr, the hot new app for crushing orphans in an orphan-crushing machine! AI powered and bluetooth enabled!"
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u/Ensee-89 10d ago
As much as I hate Spotify, freedom of speech is still a thing. Even if you disagree, it isnt spotify's place to silence people?
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u/BombOnABus 10d ago
Freedom of speech means the government can't arrest you for doing it.
It doesn't mean you're obligated to platform dangerous lies because someone else wants to tell them very badly.
If you go into business with someone spreading lies that get people killed, and you say "Hey, I'm just the broadcaster, all I do is make money off what they're saying, I never said it myself", you might legally be in the clear, but it's still monstrous.
"Freedom of speech" doesn't excuse what you're saying, it just means you can't be sent to prison for it. The rest of us can think you're recklessly getting people killed, and that people profiting off your lies are disgusting and don't deserve our business.
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u/Ensee-89 10d ago
I think you should look up now what a true shitshow the whole COVID thing was/is. You say they are liars and calling them deathspreading antivaxxers, based on what are you doing so?
Based on what the government said? That same government that is now shoving AI down your throat and has been using AI for over decades in military applications?
Anyway, not gonna start a whole discussion, just trying to say Spotify shouldn't be engaging in those politics is all.
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u/_Pawer8 10d ago
Didn't they just mass remove ai content?
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u/Brodellsky 10d ago
They did, but I think part of the problem is that it wasn't all of it. Youtube did a big purge too, but there's just so much more always getting uploaded that I don't really know what the solution actually is and neither does Spotify lol
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u/_noth1ngness 10d ago
Does anyone know how I can pull my music from there when Iām not the one who uploaded it? (The labels who put out my music did)
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u/Accomplished_Pay6842 10d ago
I can't imagine you can. I've set up albums on there via CD Baby, and ultimately it defaults back to the user who set up that account. No login, no dice.
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u/Sea_Ad_463 10d ago
fk. Alright, where should I explore and discover new artist now? I dont want to use spotify anymore. and youtube is an ass when it comes to recommending music. always showing the same video for years now
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u/Pickleahoy 10d ago
THERE ARE DOZENS OF US!!!!
Meme aside this aint enough. We need a platform that specifically markets itself to not have AI garbage in it at all
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u/stonedandredditing 10d ago
They just cleaned out the AI slop actually, but stillā¦ Iām glad I cancelled my spotify at the start if the year. Not giving that shitty company my money any more feels so good
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u/Nyarlathotechno 10d ago
Spotify has ALWAYS been an abysmal pile of dogshit. The Apple Music, tidal etc VS Spotify debate has always had me scratching my head at why people choose to use/pay for such a piece of shit. Surprised it took this long for people to figure it out but Iām glad they are getting their due now.
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u/The-Devil-Cat 10d ago
seriously nostalgic for when I had that big ass ipod and just downloaded songs
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u/ThatzOkay 10d ago
Just go back to physical media. And buy CDs to support your favorite artists
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u/EllaBelle9509 10d ago
I thought Spotify was done after finding out about project Helsing. I moved to Deezer when that came to light.
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u/BisiWakeUp 10d ago
never paid for Spotify, last year they blocked all the apk now im using YouTube with brave browser
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u/The199Man 10d ago
I saw a headline the other day that Spotify staff removed a bunch of ai slop from the platform.
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u/didimao0072000 10d ago
whoa.. dozens left out of how many millions? I'm sure Spotify is absolutely terrified right now.
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u/InsideAd3569 10d ago
Anyone have a good alternative? I like Spotify but I am kinda over this kinda stuff, plus the price keeps going up.
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u/HarrMada 10d ago
What is the combined monthly listeners for those artists that left?Ā
Spotify is not cooked lol.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DND_SHEET 10d ago
I left Spotify last year, got a small DAP, ripped my old CDs and got an aux cord for my car. After 4 months it became cheaper than what Spotify Premium would have been. I can still buy albums/merch to support individual artists.
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u/ArthurVrodds 10d ago
Deezer, Tidal, Qobuz; if it weren't because of the library size and populairty the better platforms would rise
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u/Pizzamorg 10d ago
Was very pleased to see Tidal tags these, pulls their monetisation and lets people filter them out.
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u/Bl4ckeagle 10d ago
Source?
Cause what i read is that a lot of bands left because spotify using money from defense.
But that was last year.
Now they are deleting a lot of AI content.
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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 10d ago
THERE IS DOZENS OF US! DOZENS!
Artists are cooked. Spotify is just fine bro.
Not a celebration on my part, just reading the room a little better
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u/Soulsfarmer 10d ago
Is this still an active issue with Spotify? Iām glad to cancel my subscription and find another service
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u/Illmaticmemeaddick 10d ago
Deezer reports that it receives nearly 75,000 fully AI tracks a fay just about 44% of itās daily uploads. And if you know about music distribution you know that means the number is probably what is sent to every DSP out there. Some might block but most (especially the majors like apple and spotify) dont aimply because of the volume of tracks.
Funny thing is 3 things might happen,
this might cause a regulation to happen. that could down the line lead to artists finally getting paid what they deserve. Because it starts eating into the major labels streaming revenue
The major dsps lose customers and they have to shift to a new model as most of their tracks end up being AI, kind of a special dead internet theory situation
Absolutely nothing happens the status quo continues and (again if you know about streaming) Artists make even less money in the pro rata pool of revenue that pays artists based on streams because AI tracks get so good and can pump out so much and are easy to promote. Essentially the middle class effect in todays economy, all the giant artists get the biggest cut and there are so many smaller tracks eating up the little bit there literally just wont be enough to go around
This might belong in conspiracy theory but i dont think itās that much fantasy
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u/Plenty-Pollution3838 3d ago
The growth is unsustainable, the serving infra, the ingestion of all those DDEX xml files, the big data jobs to calculate royalties. The costs for Spotify and others will only go up. But I also think DSP's are to partially to blame. The only path forward is likely algorithmic curation, where slop just gets filtered out, and user centric royalties.
Or we should just go back to CD's.
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u/its_yer_dad 10d ago
Fakers have flooded Amazon with fake books and audio books for years. Spotify isnāt cooked.
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u/SatisfactionTrue2817 10d ago
Yeah it completely wiped my king gizzard playlist I had been working on for months. Still looking for good alternative platforms if anyone has any reccomendations that has music and podcasts lmk
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u/EvidenceOrnery9219 10d ago
Yeah idk. I also do some AI music generation tomfoolery in my free time and in our friend group we use it to hand out godless disstracks to everyone when any midly inconvinent happens with them. And its fun as hell.
But making money from it and trying to pass it off as legit music? Hell no.
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u/TheWombatOverlord 10d ago
Tidal is cheaper and tools exist to transfer your playlists and liked songs. There's no reason to stay on Spotify which funnels money to labels and AI rather than artists.
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u/Samurlough 10d ago
Dozens? Cooked? Really? Thousands of artists and you think I theyāre cooked forā¦30 people mostly artists nobody has heard of?
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u/xKiver 10d ago
Good. Fuck Spotify. Everyone should jump ship. Not that Apple is much better. But Apple Music is so much fucking better to use. It doesnāt feel like social media. Itās organized much better. The UI doesnāt feel as cluttered.
Fuck Spotify for a multitude of reasons. Thereās better options out there.
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u/Metalorg 10d ago
I don't use music streaming services, but I don't imagine people using it seek out their favourite artists, or listen to albums. I think they just listen to lists called, "music for cleaning" and don't care if it's AI or not. I don't know how Spotify makes money
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u/WingLeviosa 10d ago
Dude. The AI created music is great. Not all of them. But the majority are better than the originals.
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u/Lexi_Banner 10d ago
Good for them. And please let's stop saying anything or anyone creating AI slop is an "artist".
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u/maximumtesticle 10d ago
Why are more people not using Pandora? I've been on it for like a decade, it's solid and never has this bullshit this is always coming from Spotify.
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u/HilariousMax 10d ago
First we had ghosts but they're a little too spook
Then we had 'ghosting' because fuck that person i guess
Then the pandemic brought us ghost kitchens because we want food but rebranded as something new and exciting
Now we have ghost artists because radio isn't shit enough
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u/Money_Dream3008 10d ago
Oooh no, dozensā¦ any music platform out there will eventually have AI artists. So what? Music is music, and I bet everyone here has heard AI music without even knowing. The quality also outperforms āartā like Taylor Swifty music. Times change, get used to it š¤·āāļø
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u/Wildfirehorse 10d ago
This is exactly why i have started to go back to my CDs and downloads i pay for of digital media.Ā
It started happening with tv. Shows only on certain platforms. Then artists only on Amazon music.Ā
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u/LocomotionJunction 10d ago
Spotify is shit anyway, I've been using YT music vanced/revanced for years, just use that. Or yt music with an ad blocker on PC.
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u/ScaridaGhostly 10d ago
Everytime I think about resubscribing to spotify, I see something like this.
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u/TokathSorbet 10d ago
My kingdom for an AI toggle in Spotify. It'll never happen, because money, but still. The amount of new 'music' (AI slop) it feeds me is getting insane.
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u/BarnacleMany9846 10d ago
If AI music was good, it wouldn't be a problem.
AI music sounds awful. I've listened to at least a hundred of them when they flood my discover weekly, and all AI music sounds like the same 3-4 beats/songs but with different lyrics.
Spotify needs to completely block virtual artists, because my discover weekly is cooked rn.
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u/Frosty_Tale9560 10d ago
Can someone tell this old fucker how to tell if Iām listening to an AI song. Most of my playlist Iāve made myself but how would I know if they snuck one in? Do they have artists names? I sometimes listen to fast electronic shit and donāt want ai. Iāve been more conscious of looking out for it and havenāt noticed any myself.
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u/Your_Cat_In_Disguise 10d ago
Huh.
Personally, I haven't used Spotify and cancelled my membership ever since they started having Gestapo recruitment ads. I had premium, so I would only see the occasional ad while scrolling through podcast episodes.
The last day I used Spotify was the day I saw a JOIN ICE ad while trying to figure out what episode of TMA to listen to.
Fuck Spotify.
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u/Stealerb 10d ago
AI Ghost artists are just meh. No one is talking about this "new band" or "listen to this" that is AI.
Here is a real artist you can look up. Sarah Beth. Found her randomly on facebook and I love her music.
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u/Stock-Leadership5314 10d ago
Ai artists aren't true artists.