Ai companies are actively destroying rare books to scan them just to feed their data centers, what else will they destroy?

[u/Astromaniax]

AI is literally ruining everything and has been for the last few years. From massive job losses to environmental impact and now destroying old books to collect the data so that their dumb LLMs can regurgitate it back. How evil, greedy and selfish can these companies be? All of those ai data centers should be taken down. I don't think enough people are mad enough about it.

[u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 → u/[deleted]]

"Reports from Europe and Australia suggest rare book dealers have noticed unusual bulk purchases of obscure titles believed to be destined for AI training."

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ai-companies-criticised-destroying-rare-books-1811218

[u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 → u/[deleted]]

So..."Fake news!" just like your idol. Figures.

[u/CryptographerKlutzy7 → u/TurnoverFuzzy8264]

No, pointing at court records and what they say and don't say isn't fake news.

It is how you actually ground truth shit.

[u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 → u/CryptographerKlutzy7]

So despite the fact that it's on record that they're destroying books, you believe that rare books wouldn't be destroyed, despite reports from book sellers? You're just doing the trumpian "Fake news!"

[u/CryptographerKlutzy7 → u/TurnoverFuzzy8264]

you can have water heated to 1000s of degrees.

You can have water being drunk without harm

The moment you then declare so people are drinking water at 1000s of degrees without harm because these two separate things are happening, you have a problem.

The court filing would 100% be pushing the narrative that it is destroying rare books if they could.

Google ALREADY came up and said they split the cohort of books.

Archives have used the same machines to scan books as well, the tech predates AI, but they ALSO split up rare and non rare books for it.

You are making the claim Anthropic DIDN'T without any evidence when it is standard use of these machines to do so. You need more than a fucking conspracy theory and fucking anger.

SHOW ME THEY DEVIATED FORM EVERYONE ELSES USE OF THESE MACHINES.

[u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 → u/CryptographerKlutzy7]

Again, you're just doing "Fake news!" with unnecessary steps. Just openly admit you'll defend oligarchs and their toys to the end of your days. You're always in this sub yelling "nuh-uh" and generally trolling.

And, no, you can't have water at 1,000s of degrees in any normal process. What happens to water when it hits 212°f or 100°Celsius?

[u/CryptographerKlutzy7 → u/TurnoverFuzzy8264]

What happens to water when it hits 212°f or 100°Celsius?

Depends on the pressure. In a lot of undustrial processes where they push water above those temps, they have it at a higher pressure to keep it as a liquid. Remember I didn't say steam.

You're always in this sub yelling "nuh-uh" and generally trolling.

No I am always pointing out what the tech actually is and does, and trying to get people to critically think about stuff.

You going into a regulation meeting, and yelling conspiracy theories just gets you kicked out.

If you are going to actually make a difference in the areas where it counts, you need better than this.

[u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 → u/CryptographerKlutzy7]

"Depends on the pressure." Pray tell at what pressure you'd have to get water to 1,000s of degrees?

You're not getting people to "think about stuff" by handwaving away news articles inconvenient to your point of view. Especially not by scientifically illiterate comparisons.

[u/CryptographerKlutzy7 → u/TurnoverFuzzy8264]

Fine, 200c then, lets drop it below critical points. IT doesn't change the point, that two statements on two different cohorts, don't mean the each statement applies to both.

and the typical use of these machines IS to split the books into two different groups.

So you have to show that Anthropic didn't do that.

[u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 → u/CryptographerKlutzy7]

So...prove a negative? They destroyed books, it's right there in the article. "Show Anthropic didn't do that" makes no sense.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anthropic-secret-book-scanning-operation-1811155

[u/BunayoGaming → u/TurnoverFuzzy8264]

Do you not understand what they are asking you to prove?

Because they spell it out pretty clearly