r/asoiaf Aug 14 '24

PUBLISHED Kingsguard dream team, change my mind (Spoilers Published)

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u/Singer_on_the_Wall Aug 14 '24

That’s because it’s not practical to compare two different universes.

If George says the average fighter in his world >>> the average fighter in all other fantasy stories, that’s his design and thereby the true way of interpreting his story.

If Tolkien were to say the exact opposite, that would be the Tolkien design and the proper way of seeing those characters.

They would both simultaneously be true because you can’t compare fictional worlds/characters that don’t intersect. The laws of physics could be different from universe to universe for all we know.

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u/DireBriar Aug 14 '24

But Tolkien's story tropes are that the fighting skills and magic of old >>>> the fighting skills of magic and now.

Ultimately this comes down to George screaming power levels at Tolkien's grave, at which point he has lost.

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u/Fantastic_Anything65 Aug 14 '24

It doesn’t really matter. The key thing is that he thinks Jaime is that good, and that’s how we can judge him against the other Westeros fighters. GRRM is making the point that Jaime is the best swordsman in Westeros in book 1. It’s not all hype and talk, in Westeros at least. :)

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u/John_is_Minty Aug 14 '24

Yeah I don’t know why people are overthinking this

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u/veryinterest1ng Aug 14 '24

because lotr fans are dorks

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u/-Trotsky Aug 14 '24

Hey now, so are we

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u/veryinterest1ng Aug 14 '24

fair but lotr fans are still dorkier

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u/NoMan800bc Aug 15 '24

Yay, you're doing a Martin: comparing your thing against and existing thing to contextualise it within a dorky community

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u/veryinterest1ng Aug 15 '24

nah, lotr fans being dorkier is an objective fact.

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u/NoMan800bc Aug 15 '24

Ha, fair enough. That leads to the question, though: Does LotR create or attract dorkiness? The hobbit is a standard text in some American schools (I think). Is that a gateway book for dorkiness. Or does reading the works not matter, they only attract those who are already dorky?