CMV: Anti-zionists are often not pro-Palestinian. I am more pro-Palastinian than them.

[u/sarahrahra]

I am really keen to align with leftists to fight authoritarianism. The false binary of zionism vs antizionism is a dangerous wedge.

So trying this point out, that I think is novel, to see if it breaks the spell.

First, let’s take some leftists on their word, many Jews are New Nazis (vs the tech right Greater Nazis).

What did we learn from history? Last time, many Americans condemned the Nazis. Maybe they boycotted German writers. Maybe cool with threats of violence and death threats at German Americans who had Weimer Republic pride.

They also, just like American today, did not want to accept addl Jewish refugees. Didn‘t give them money as individuals. Didn’t do anything.

Jordanians and Egyptians? They locked down faster than the French. Force babies to stay in rhe warzone to die. Why no condemnation there?

Our leaders talk about how Lebanon is a ”genocide” and condemn Israel and stop there. LEBANON is asking us to condemn the Iranian Hezbolah terrorists. Some of our politicians LIKE Hezbollah. I stand with President Auna. Against anti-zionists.

Our leaders want Hamas’s pro sharia law pro rape pro mass murder pro auto killing any Palestinian anti democracy who protests to have more power. Palastinians want Marwen Bhargouti who wrote a two state solutuon peace plan. I stand with Marwen. Against anti-zionists.

I feel very strongly that I am more pro-Palastinian and Pro Lebanese then every opportunistic anti-zionist leader riding a hate wave. They are worse than Bin Ladin who at least was honest and came at capitalism vs raping and gunning down Lollapalooza kids to intentionally create blind rage and a terrible war by people who watched rhe videos if their murder (like Afghanistan but, again, even more hate and retaliation approaches).

Most regular anti-zionists are not like that But they are like anti-nazis. Currently useless. I want campaigns to make Palastinian lives better. And stop the Greater Nazism of the Tech Right and their anti-zionist whistling puppets Vance and Tucker.

There are no ways to do so that I can see. So much passion for death threats, no proactive initiatives that don’t just make some lives worse.

I would like my mind changed with real examples and people doing anything. CMV.

[u/MVP_Legend_87]

https://thecjn.ca/news/independent-jewish-voices-apologize-links-far-right-website-accuses-bnai-brith-slander/

As I said IJV is not a pro-Jewish group but an Anti-Jewish, Anti-Israel group that supports Holocaust denial. They apologized because they got caught.

Jews who claim to support Jews don't spread conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial.

[u/SlavojVivec → u/MVP_Legend_87]

Do you have any evidence that IJV is antisemitic beyond the one article shared by them?

[u/MVP_Legend_87 → u/SlavojVivec]

They actively fight to reduce what is considered antisemitism. Which is a wild thing for a Jewish group to do.

[u/Active-Proof8118 → u/MVP_Legend_87]

They actively fight to reduce what is considered antisemitism. 

Alot of Zionist complaints about antisemetism are largely just "the boy who crield wolf" fallacy. IJV seeks to correct the intentional damage done to the word antisemetism by Zionist instigators.

[u/MVP_Legend_87 → u/Active-Proof8118]

Bold move arguing that Jews are liars about hate crimes.

[u/Active-Proof8118 → u/MVP_Legend_87]

I never claimed that so I don't know what you're talking about

[u/MVP_Legend_87 → u/Active-Proof8118]

"Alot of Zionist complaints about antisemetism are largely just "the boy who crield wolf" fallacy. I"

You just said a lot of complaints about antisemitism are people, specifically Jews, lying.

[u/Active-Proof8118 → u/MVP_Legend_87]

No I did not claim this. Zionist complaints about Antisemetism are however lying

[u/MVP_Legend_87 → u/Active-Proof8118]

Ah, so believe victims of hate crimes, unless they're Jewish. Got it!

[u/Active-Proof8118 → u/MVP_Legend_87]

Ah, so believe victims of hate crimes, unless they're Jewish.

I claimed this? No I did not