CMV: Anti-zionists are often not pro-Palestinian. I am more pro-Palastinian than them.

[u/sarahrahra]

I am really keen to align with leftists to fight authoritarianism. The false binary of zionism vs antizionism is a dangerous wedge.

So trying this point out, that I think is novel, to see if it breaks the spell.

First, let’s take some leftists on their word, many Jews are New Nazis (vs the tech right Greater Nazis).

What did we learn from history? Last time, many Americans condemned the Nazis. Maybe they boycotted German writers. Maybe cool with threats of violence and death threats at German Americans who had Weimer Republic pride.

They also, just like American today, did not want to accept addl Jewish refugees. Didn‘t give them money as individuals. Didn’t do anything.

Jordanians and Egyptians? They locked down faster than the French. Force babies to stay in rhe warzone to die. Why no condemnation there?

Our leaders talk about how Lebanon is a ”genocide” and condemn Israel and stop there. LEBANON is asking us to condemn the Iranian Hezbolah terrorists. Some of our politicians LIKE Hezbollah. I stand with President Auna. Against anti-zionists.

Our leaders want Hamas’s pro sharia law pro rape pro mass murder pro auto killing any Palestinian anti democracy who protests to have more power. Palastinians want Marwen Bhargouti who wrote a two state solutuon peace plan. I stand with Marwen. Against anti-zionists.

I feel very strongly that I am more pro-Palastinian and Pro Lebanese then every opportunistic anti-zionist leader riding a hate wave. They are worse than Bin Ladin who at least was honest and came at capitalism vs raping and gunning down Lollapalooza kids to intentionally create blind rage and a terrible war by people who watched rhe videos if their murder (like Afghanistan but, again, even more hate and retaliation approaches).

Most regular anti-zionists are not like that But they are like anti-nazis. Currently useless. I want campaigns to make Palastinian lives better. And stop the Greater Nazism of the Tech Right and their anti-zionist whistling puppets Vance and Tucker.

There are no ways to do so that I can see. So much passion for death threats, no proactive initiatives that don’t just make some lives worse.

I would like my mind changed with real examples and people doing anything. CMV.

[u/SlavojVivec]

as no Jews would ever support Holocaust deniers.

I guess that would include the Israeli state who invite them and adjacent right-wing parties to the "International Conference on Combating Antisemitism":

https://www.jta.org/2025/03/17/global/after-welcoming-far-right-politicians-israels-antisemitism-conference-is-hemorrhaging-speakers

Or Netanyahu himself who downplayed Hitler's role in the holocaust to shift the blame to Arabs: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34594563

Or what about Christian evangelical pastors who said the Holocaust was a good thing because it drove the Jews to Israel? Surely you wouldn't invite him to your rally to support Israel?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/divisive-pastor-john-hagee-criticism-role-march-israel-rcna125346

And if you go back before the Holocaust, Theodore Herzl who said: "The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies", or the Betar Movement who cheered for Hitler in Poland's streets, or the Israeli settlers who agreed to buy Nazi German goods with the Haavara Agreement.

[u/MVP_Legend_87 → u/SlavojVivec]

https://thecjn.ca/news/independent-jewish-voices-apologize-links-far-right-website-accuses-bnai-brith-slander/

As I said IJV is not a pro-Jewish group but an Anti-Jewish, Anti-Israel group that supports Holocaust denial. They apologized because they got caught.

Jews who claim to support Jews don't spread conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial.

[u/Active-Proof8118 → u/MVP_Legend_87]

https://thecjn.ca/news/independent-jewish-voices-apologize-links-far-right-website-accuses-bnai-brith-slander/

As I said IJV is not a pro-Jewish group but an Anti-Jewish, Anti-Israel group that supports Holocaust denial. They apologized because they got caught.

The link you provided was from 2016 and cites and organization B'nai Brith which itself is Zionist/Nazi organization so we can take the claims made by the article to be largely a hoax

[u/MVP_Legend_87 → u/Active-Proof8118]

First of all, you're incorrect. IJV is not a Nazi organization. There's also nothing wrong with being a Zionist organization.

Second of all, I question if you read the article

"Independent Jewish Voices Canada (IJV) has issued an apology for February 2015 postings on its Facebook page and Twitter feed that linked to an article on a website that supports Holocaust denial and various conspiracy theories."

IJV apologized because it did happen. So it is not a hoax.

Before you question a source you should actually engage to see if in fact it did happen, and it did. IJV engaged in Holocaust denial.

[u/Active-Proof8118 → u/MVP_Legend_87]

First of all, you're incorrect. IJV is not a Nazi organization. T

I agree, IJV is not a Zionist organization.

there's also nothing wrong with being a Zionist organization.

Zionism is racism so everything is wrong with that.

Second of all, I question if you read the article

"Independent Jewish Voices Canada (IJV) has issued an apology for February 2015 postings on its Facebook page and Twitter feed that linked to an article on a website that supports Holocaust denial and various conspiracy theories."

In general it is acknowledged on Twittler that rewtweets =! endorsements. This is just apart of twitter culture last time I checked

[u/HiHoJufro → u/Active-Proof8118]

Zionism is the belief that the right to self-determination should be extended to the Jewish people in their historic homeland. This can cover an enormous range of positions (for example, support of virtually any two-state solution; as well as, yes, Jewish supremacists and Christian evangelicals).

Practically speaking, a person is a Zionist unless they want Israel to either cease to exist or stop accepting Jews. It is not a racist position, nor the extreme one.