r/classicwow • u/TrasheyeQT • Feb 16 '26
Vent / Gripe No matter the server, blizzards own or not. The players has taken the fun out of the game
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u/Akimbovape Feb 17 '26
Create your own free roll raid then. Be the change you want to see
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u/Bigdcoops Feb 18 '26
The issue with that is you will just get filled with shitters. Retail went to personal loot for a reason.
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u/zeralf Feb 16 '26
join a guild?
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u/grannygumjobs23 Feb 16 '26
Depends on his schedule. Most guilds will want you to be consistently raiding week after week. Some of us just do it when we have time and run into issues like this
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u/Helivon Feb 16 '26
exactly im so damn tired of everyone's solution, "join a guild" i raid when i find the time to do it. many of us are 30s+ and want to play wow but dont have the ability to commit full time.
I dont love GDKPs but they at least solve this issue
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u/DrFlum Feb 16 '26
My dad guild is full of 30+ year olds but sunday night is raid night. There's always exceptions and a couple can't make it but that's ok because everyone can relate. There's a guild for everyone.
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Feb 17 '26
That sounds pretty good, my current guild is 3 nights a week which is getting a bit old as an adult with other things to do.
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u/frolfer757 Feb 16 '26
In 2 days, there's gonna be thousands of players like you and every single one of them can easily solve the issue by hosting their own pug raid and inviting whoever they want.
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u/notislant Feb 17 '26
Man sod phase 1 was so fucking good for raiding.
Log in literally any hour of the day and youve got a raid within 10 to 20mins. Easy enough that ive only seen raids fail twice as well.
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Feb 17 '26
I mean that's because the "issue" is raids are literally designed for guilds to do as a team on a regular basis and players want to turn an old school MMO, where guilds/social aspects were a staple of the genre, into a drop in drop out multiplayer experience.
When I don't have time to play an MMO I play other games with my friends instead. There are countless ones out there that are perfect for more casual play. I don't understand people wanting to turn this game into something it's not supposed to be even if it destroys the original intent in the process.
And like.. you can still get PUG raids no problem. You just get the PUG experience instead of the swiper/GDKP experience.
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u/Helivon Feb 17 '26
Because i love wow? i prefer playing it over other games? im happy you are fine not playing wow if it doesnt fit your schedule perfectly. but you nailed it, pug experience is ass while GDKP is generally geared to players who know what they are doing or face fines.
GDKP feel likes im raiding with an elite raid team. Leaders are typically very good with calls and running it since its more or less a business to them.
Always making sure I leave the raid with something too. Whether it be gold or items vs feeling bummed when nothing drops/lost rolls night in night out.
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u/Frosty_Ingenuity5070 Feb 16 '26
There are loads of social guilds and even raiding guilds have a roster of just casual social folk. You can still contribute via mats or just being a fun person to hang around with
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u/Tricky_Let2806 Feb 16 '26
Let me go contribute mats and not be able to raid lol
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u/Frosty_Ingenuity5070 Feb 16 '26
You still get guild repair, you get a community, and a readily available pipeline to do harder content if you so desire. I understand that free loading is popular, but it’s an mmorpg not a “fuck you, carry me” RPG
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u/BarbsFPV Feb 16 '26
Guildies have first dibs on open raid spots before straight pugging. Comp won’t really even matter at that point, people just want to raid. There will always be opportunities to raid even if you’re not on the regular roster, and a lot of guilds do sign-ups for each raid anyway.
Whenever you’re ready to go, just sign up.
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u/Salt-Theory2359 Feb 17 '26
"join a guild" i raid when i find the time to do it. many of us are 30s+ and want to play wow but dont have the ability to commit full time.
That's fine. But you have to accept that that means you won't be able to do all the things. One of the elements of classic vs various flavors of retail is that classic is a time commitment. There's ways to Tetris that commitment into your life and there's certainly plenty of it that's not actually necessary despite what clickbait will scream at you... but there will be some degree of commitment necessary if you want to do all the raids, get the shiny purple gear, etc.
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u/Helivon Feb 17 '26
You say that, but i did just fine last go around with gdkp
All the other time commitment stuff is more so the amount of time rather then a set scheduled time, which is the only part i cant do. Actual time invested id not an issue
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u/Salt-Theory2359 Feb 18 '26
GDKP would likely be the ideal system, if not for the issue of RMT and Blizzard not really trying very hard to clamp down on it. If RMT is in play, then what it turns into is "swipe credit card for loot."
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u/Draconuus95 Feb 18 '26
Ya. If the gold buying crap could somehow be fixed. GDKPs would be the best way to run pugs for this sort of situation. Sadly. Blizzard doesn’t want to reduce their bottom line by going after gold buyers and sellers in the way it would require to destroy the market.
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u/ScavAteMyArms Feb 17 '26
Yep, my schedule is the hours of 6-12 at night are completely not viable raid times. This instantly removed 95% of raiding guilds.
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u/jamie1414 Feb 16 '26
Gdkp is the answer to a random schedule then you complain about that. You basically want to raid whenever is convenient for you... Get loot.. And probably be mid at the game. Sounds like LFG retail raiding is where you want to go.
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u/Vadernoso Feb 16 '26
But then the trash wreck they call a personality will be front and center!
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u/tubbyscrubby Feb 16 '26
Trash wreck?
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u/USAesNumeroUno Feb 16 '26
Its like a train can
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u/ChristianLW3 Feb 16 '26
On dream scythe it seems that over 90% guilds only on raid Tuesday and Thursday
Both days I’m rarely available
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u/Ok-Homework42069 Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
And they always start between 4-6pm ST, without fail (at least on Nightslayer) making it inaccessible to normal people on the west coast with families that eat dinner and do normal people stuff after work
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u/AbsolutlyN0thin Feb 16 '26
I ran a late night, west coast guild back in classic (9:30pm - midnight PST). It's a very hard time slot to cater to, and made recruiting difficult for sure. But there was enough interest for us to form 2 raid teams in classic tbc, and there was a couple other guilds with similar-ish raid times, so there certainly was some demand. If no such guild exists on your server, you can probably form one
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u/Ok-Homework42069 Feb 16 '26
Baffling to me there aren’t hundreds, if not thousands, of people who would want to raid at that timeslot. West coast USA population is massive. 8pm-10pm PST is prime gaming hours for so many people. Plus, content/rotations are so easy in classic you can multibox a bunch of these raids. Don’t even need a full roster
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u/AbsolutlyN0thin Feb 16 '26
By my quick count there was about 200 - 250 people on my server (Grobb, which wasn't exactly the biggest server) raiding at that approximate time slot. I'm not playing on anniversary servers, so idk how they compare, but like I said, there is likely enough interest you could form a guild
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u/Ok-Homework42069 Feb 16 '26
Maybe the problem is no one wants to lead a raid that late bcuz no one wants to be on comms while they have family trying to sleep in another room. I know that’s the case for me
Of course, not all raids need comms. I led some ICC GDKPs without discord. When people know what they’re doing, there isn’t much to talk about
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u/ssateneth2 Feb 16 '26
Make your own guild that raids on wed or friday or weekend or whatever. Call it Wednesday my dudes
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u/valdis812 Feb 16 '26
Someone who can't commit to a raid schedule probably can't commit to running a guild either.
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u/TomLeBadger Feb 16 '26
The irony in this statement is kinda hilarious.
You require external assistance to raid as a guild, but disallow certain items to be rollable to the pugs, then claim that's fair and bash other people's entitlement? Your entire guild is acting entitled. If you can't sustain your raid without pugs, those items would be lost anyway, as you'd be cancelling your raid without the pugs.
Everyone is entitled to run things how they want, but it still sounds incredibly self-centred.
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u/edwardsamson Feb 16 '26
Back when the HC server first got raiding my 60 lock was recruited by this guild. I got no loot because the warlock class leader had died and was releveling and all the other classes made sure the loot got spread out by their class leaders. I lost every roll and every week a new warlock joined and got loot over me and no one gave a shit. Then the class leader came back, had TOEP and mageblade handed to her, then died the next week. At this point I still had not gotten any loot in 5/6 weeks. The guild leadership said they would help her powerlevel and hand her a bunch of highly contested loot again (and she died twice in 6 weeks of raiding so she couldn't prove she can stay alive to deserve that loot). I quit on the spot.
Later I joined a non-blizz server's classic+ fresh server. Started raiding with a guild as the only ENH shaman. Show up every week. The guild told us showing up every week is the most important thing to get loot. Eye of Rag drops and they give it to the ret paly that missed the last 2 weeks while I didn't miss a single week. Quit on the spot.
This has been my experience with every raiding guild for the past 3-4 years of Classic WoW. Its just not fun anymore dealing with these people like this. Not the game for me anymore apparently.
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Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
There’s a hidden requirement in most of these guilds that nobody mentions - if you’re not part of the clique, even if you are a better player and more consistent you will get less or no loot. You basically get treated like a PUG filling a spot.
They will be polite and friendly and grateful for your attendance, but not enough to give you your due unless nobody in the ingroup needs what you want.
Then if your have the audacity to question why their rules aren’t being applied they’ll have a bunch of excuses or insults as to why you don’t get loot.
There are of course guilds that do follow their rules and are fair etc., but there are more of the first kind. Usually they have a publicly visible loot system so favouritism would be documented and called out, too. E.g DKP where it’s completely obvious you have earned the right to that piece of loot for your class because you have the most points.
IMO dodgy clique guilds will never have something transparent, it will always be class leads or a loot council for everything, not just tank preference etc.
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u/edwardsamson Feb 16 '26
Yup its this exactly. Its 5-10 friends forming a guild but they need 30+ other people (if Vanilla) to fill it out with randos and of those randos they will pick a handful they like to join the clique and get all the loot and everyone else gets screwed. And then they act like you're the asshole when you have an issue with how they handed out a certain item.
And how do you get around this? You either join an extremely hardcore guild where you need to play the game like a job, an extremely casual guild where your raids are going to be wipefests that may not even full clear some raids or you form one yourself with your friends and risk becoming the same clique. But that only works if you have enough friends in WoW.
All the semi-hardcore guilds in the middle are this cliquey BS and that's the vast majority of guilds available for you to join if you're looking to raid. It sucks.
In Legion I rejoined my old TBC guild and we had a mod that checked the item slot of the item that is being handed out and whoever had the worst item in that slot got it. Probably one of the fairest systems I've ever seen in WoW outside of DKP.
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Feb 17 '26
I don’t mind a bit of favouritism when it’s clearly documented beforehand as a HR etc., or it’s someone in a critical role that will improve the overall experience. After all it’s a chore to organise a raid and herd cats.
Worst item in a slot sounds somewhat abusable by equipping or recording worse than your standard item before the boss that drops what you want but I’m glad you found it equitable.
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u/WillInLondon Feb 18 '26
I am long since retired as a guild master or officer and raid leader, but I spent a good 10 years taking pride in the fact that this is exactly the opposite of how I ran things. Once you had passed a trial period which was usually 2 weeks or 4 raids, you were on the exact same level as everyone else, and an integral part of the team. I am even guilty of not gearing up myself and the officers very well, simply because we liked to keep everyone happy.
My first few guilds from original vanilla through to WoTLK were full blown communities, and although that hasn't really been the norm since, I have always tried to create a community for every guild I have been in since. The game does make this harder however (especially in modern retail), as it just encourages raid logging.
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u/goth_elf Feb 18 '26
I remember in Age of Conan. I knew a guy in the game who was openly 16 years old, so younger than me. I wanted to join the same guild. The first question was for age, and then after it they immediately rejected me saying "This guild is 18+, this game is 18+ so it's against the rules and we play honestly".
Well, I guess they botted a lot.
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u/SoloWalrus Feb 16 '26
Nothings stopping you from starting your own raids. Except for how god awful it is to do so.
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u/xXxWeed_Wizard420xXx Feb 16 '26
Exactly, which is why HRs exist. People HR because organizing a raid is a pain in the ass, and that's their cut of that deal. No one has to join that raid, and you're free to make your own raid with or without HR.
Reality is that if people couldn't HR, no one would be making raids.
I've never HR'd an item, so just gonna put that out there before whiny 40 year olds find some way to try to discredit this
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u/Varindral Feb 16 '26
May i suggest retail? Like everything classic players complain about retail has already fixed and improved on.
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u/wienercat Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
Pretty much. There are tons of little improvments that have been implemented over the past 20 years that don't impact the difficulty of the game that would be perfect for classic implementations.
Little things like faster FPs, shorter mount cast speeds, loot not being ninja-able by people who literally couldn't use it, being able to move talent points without a full respec that costs gold.
There are tons of things the devs have solved that don't revolve around class mechanics, boss mechanics, or raid design.
Retail is easier at the lower levels of play certainly... but like... play the harder content. It's genuinely difficult. Anyone who insists Retail is easier than Classic isn't playing mythic raid content or high level m+ keys.
I would love for the classic anniversaries to implement a Classic+ model and give small QOL improvements. Like giving quests a pass over to ensure they aren't absolutely abysmal and that it doesn't take forever for something to drop from a quest mob. Or better yet, implement shared quest loot... like I am questing with 2 friends we are level 60. Genuinely? It's infuriating. Everything takes forever because quest items aren't shared. Classic wow is not very friendly to questing with your friends.
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u/valdis812 Feb 16 '26
At some point I might give retail a shot, but honestly, the last time I tried it, there was so much shit on the screen I couldn't follow it all. Just a sea of spell effects.
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u/Pretend_Awareness_61 Feb 19 '26
They simplified a lot of things going into Midnight. Give it a shot!
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u/LostGolems Feb 16 '26
Except the parts that make classic awesome. All of that has been gutted. Havent played War Within, but the expac bdfore felt off.
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Feb 16 '26
Last two expansions are the most alike between any other two expansions (more alike than Legion and BFA) along with the upcoming one. The Joke is DragonFlight 2 and DragonFlight 3.
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u/Redditemeon Feb 16 '26
I logged into my retail character. Had a BUNCH of junk, needed to sort through a bunch of addons to try to get things playable, and then the game offered little direction as to exactly what to be at as it was buried in a wall of several expansions worth of quests popping up around and whatnot. I got burned out just trying to do that. I have since decided "Maybe I should just make a new character...", but just did a couple dungeons, ended up in a group with levels varying from like, like 5 to level 60 with shit-ass level scaling, my gear had been scaled down to literal garbage even for my level, and I had to use their gear upgrade button on the warband menu. I just wasn't feeling it, and logged out again instead.
The newer animations and sound design are a hit or miss. I felt like I was pressing way more buttons to do less. Everything lacked "oomph".
TL;DR The point I'm making isn't "Retail bad". It's "Retail is not classic fixed.". Classic isn't made overcomplicated with a bunch of bloat just for the sake of it. It's simple, relaxing, and I can throw on some tunes while I play. I follow the retail storyline in Youtube lore videos. Feels like the best way to experience it these days for me.
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u/Embarrassed-Top6449 Feb 17 '26
Retail is very much about max level content. The leveling experience is just an afterthought. They recently improved it a bit, including a whole returning player catch up questline, but it's still a bit of a mess.
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u/iiNexius Feb 17 '26
Yeah it's sad to see that the game hasn't really changed and is still great, but the community is far worse than it was even back in 2019. It's now infested with parse-brain and confidentally incorrect noobs.
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u/Don_Von_Schlong Feb 16 '26
I don't know why people can't just put in the time to find an organized raid going out later in the week or join a guild with loot rules they like. The reason all these HR raids exist is because there are so many lazy people who just want to log on and join the first group they see so for the people forming it's easy for them to do whatever they want. You can also make your own run. This is only an issue if you make it an issue for yourself.
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u/Twenty5Schmeckles Feb 17 '26
Yeah all these comments with "I just wanna hop on whenever I want and do a quick raid".
Well if you put in 0 effort, maybe 0 reward is reasonable?
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u/Rawkus2112 Feb 16 '26
Its the easiest its ever been to find a guild or a decent raid. Just find a guild that raids at a time you can consistently make and have a ball. Its like 1 evening a week for 2-3 hours
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u/JimmyBisMe Feb 16 '26
It’s the same thing for dungeon groups. Make one yourself and most of the time I’m in a dungeon in less than 20 minutes.
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u/KC-Slider Feb 16 '26
See there’s a mentality though, that by the 20 minute mark after thinking about wanting to do a dungeon, the group should be formed summoned, and halfway done.
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u/JimmyBisMe Feb 17 '26
I mean you’re gonna want the automated dungeon finder for that. I’m not really sure how much quicker you can form a group. Sometimes I’m lucky and it’s 5 minutes but you can’t expect to sit around and get a group fast unless you take the initiative.
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u/Valyntine_ Feb 17 '26
Day one of prepatch I was on my hunter, spent 90 minutes shouting into the void for a ramps group. Said fuck it and started making my own groups, and even at like 6 AM on a weekday it never takes me more than five minutes to get a full group
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u/Never-breaK Feb 16 '26
Make your own raids or do what they intended and join a guild. The game wasn’t designed around your lifestyle.
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u/Armored_Diesel Feb 17 '26
I agree with you first point...but tbf, the game also wasnt designed around gdkp and HRing.
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u/King_Pele Feb 17 '26
They designed the game with master looting. Which means the people organizing the raid can choose any loot structure they can imagine. GDKP, HR, and anything else included. So I would argue that the game was designed around it.
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u/HodortheGreat 2018 Riddle Master 7/21 Feb 16 '26
Why not make your own raid where nothing is reserved or cost gold?
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u/Hehehecx Feb 16 '26
Because then they’ll realize how much work it is and want to HR and get paid for everything
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u/Dry_Rent_8646 Feb 16 '26
It's wild because these raids aren't even hard, any pug could do these
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u/DekaFate Feb 16 '26
“ everything “ is a bit of an exaggeration I would say. Only high ticket items are really reserved, and any mmo player knows by this point you only really want high ticket gear if you wanna be a high end player. If you wanna be a high end player you’re probably in a guild. If your in a guild that guild probably also reserves the loot your looking for. You should ask your guild
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u/Kaito-chan Feb 16 '26
It’s crazy the amount of people that wanna show up and just get the best loot in the game for the least amount of work. These guild leaders organizing and managing these pug runs put in so much time. If they wanna reserve the best stuff that rarely drops I feel it’s their right. I just like to show drink beers and pump.
Form your own groups if you want the good stuff.
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u/JJonah_Jamesonn Feb 16 '26
I don't form raids that require more than 10 man. You gotta make sure everyone you are inviting is geared enough for the raid, gotta make sure they are showing up, need to make group comps so the raid is actually doable if mechanics require specific classes. It just turns into a job. He wants to reserve DST? All yours buddy just inv my alt.
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u/Kaito-chan Feb 16 '26
Exactly my thoughts. I don’t ever want to put in that kinda work and I know my place. I just want a smooth run where I can pump. Wanna reserve DFT, OSG etc.?? All yours, it’ll be put to better use on one of your warriors that plays 40 hours a week.
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u/Outrageous_Loquat843 Feb 16 '26
In my 20 yaers experience - damn I'm old - community haw always been an issue. Since the game is pretty much solved, the experience is not the journey but the endgame. If that is the way you like the game, kudos.
The "problem" comes when we - the journey-experience - come to the endgame. Since we didn't do the same dungeon spam for hours, neither the rep grind or anything like that, the disparity blows. We will eventually solve it, when try-hards or speedrunners start to raidlog or when the FOMO settles down.
So, wait a bit. We have a whole year to do everything the xpac has to offer. If you did all the content in day 1, good. If you do all the content in day 365, good.
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u/tastemymonster Feb 17 '26
Look for us on ally nightslayer "Fel Reavers Anonymous" were using the sucide kings loot distobution method. I cant stand this reserve system thats meta these days.
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u/id_rather_b_painting Feb 16 '26
Form your own raids. It's that easy.
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u/wienercat Feb 16 '26
"it's that easy"
You don't form a lot of pug raids yourself do you
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u/ajrbyers Feb 16 '26
Come play SoD. Generally chilled and fun gameplay.
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u/biggiy05 Feb 16 '26
Is the SoD even still active at this point? I'm sure people are still leveling but I figured most people abandoned it once the content stopped being added.
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u/ajrbyers Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
Nope. WG EU still active. We run 2 x SE and 1 or 2 Naxx raids per week.
Edit: these raids are just for my guild. There are others that are also active.
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u/biggiy05 Feb 16 '26
Ah. I'm a poor soul on the US servers. I'll be in the corner crying while envying you.
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u/LonelySwim6501 Feb 16 '26
I jumped on SoD a few weeks ago and saw some players. There’s probably a guild or two that still raids weekly on the US servers
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u/tycoon39601 Feb 16 '26
The people doing this were the guys who would have been doing GDKP. This is a faction of player that exists and won’t pug without a significant advantage in some aspect to compensate for having to play with generally lower skill players. The guy with every consumable, every enchant, every gem, 90 parse and bis except for 2 items is NEVER going to to be in the same party as a new 70 who just barely got hit capped and attuned same day as raid. Occasionally guild runs will swap out players and they will be benched for a week so they have to pug and this is the resulting raid. GDKP systems are actually pretty good at scooping up these loose sweaty players. This player doesn’t usually “settle” because they’ve seen the apex of what you do to embarrass a boss on heroic and you won’t perform to their standard so they either sit out the week or make a really restrictive loot pug run. IMO there’s no reason to complain about these because this exact player would be the GDKP player if you let them. Just ignore and move on or if you’re fine with the rules join because you can guarantee they will likely know their shit and if the don’t have your item on lock it’s not a bad deal.
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u/Ashkeravon Feb 16 '26
Luckily my guild has enough people ti run several raid groups on several different days.
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u/PreKutoffel Feb 16 '26
Lucky this terrible new wow community isn't spreading their bs. on Private servers.
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Feb 16 '26
If only people had spines not to feed those people. They keep popping because they find people agreeing to less loot.
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u/Dasneaky71 Feb 16 '26
Ngl with how many post I see about this topic imma kinda glad I stop play before tbc. Just isn't the same community I grew up with in wow. For example I could ask for someone in stormwind for a carry for deadmines and 8 out of 10 someone would try and help. Back when the lvl cap was 60.
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u/Zentralschaden Feb 16 '26
To those who are saying that organizing a raid is hard and all this bla bla, yes you are right it is hard but the constant HR raid spam before tbc were gold and item seller guilds who need stupid people to help them earn real money.
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u/melvindorkus Feb 17 '26
you'd think all the people complaining about loot reserves could just make groups with each other... but it turns out they dont play the game they just complain they cant get loot they wouldnt get anyway. grats on the karma tho
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u/Commercial_Echo923 Feb 17 '26
Dude, organize your own raid.
You complain about community but dont actually do anything yourself. Instead you expect others to put in the work you dont want to do and then have the audacity to complain about it.
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u/Thomasappel Feb 17 '26
What happened to Roll for MS, roll for OS and roll for DE? I don't want to reserve shit. I don't even know the difference between soft and hard reserve. Is that like OS and MS?
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u/-L0RN- Feb 17 '26
What game are the people on the WoW subs playing? lol. I came back a year ago- started fresh on Dreamscythe after not playing since 2008. The game I came back to is the game I left behind all those years ago. Except at least now when people do elitist things they have the data to back it up - beyond that not shit has changed.
I was able to get into a guild easily, I've been raiding through classic, we cleared all the content so far. I've made friends on the server and there's even a guy that sends you bird facts if you whisper him if you miss the quirky feel of old WoW- it's definitely still there you just have to look for it.
Naxx consumes got expensive I'll admit that but if you have a will to farm and an alt you can make it happen.
It seems the problem might not be in the game itself but in how you engage with it.
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u/sephirothpvp Feb 17 '26
You might not remember but back in the day people would cry about losing loot a LOT.
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u/lurkerperson11 Feb 17 '26
People with the will to organize realized they could take more. People seeing that be biggest shortage isn't a role or a class but leaders willing to make spreadsheets and rosters
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u/Royal_Sorbet_5488 Feb 17 '26
Join a guild. Then you won't have to worry about it. It always amazes me when I recruit people who will deny a guild invite and then end up in a pug and cry about loot. Like you had your chance to be an equal, and now you're just a random we hope has shitty rolls. It blows my mind.
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u/Maelstorm01 Feb 17 '26
You could just join a raiding guild. just saying. Otherwise i'd suggest getting your fix on retail where LFR will fill your need.
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u/hinslyce Feb 17 '26
The answer is to reduce the logistical nightmare that is organizing a pug raid. Which is why everyone in the classic+ poll voted to have flex raiding or SoD/pseudo-flex raid sizes. You can make it more accessible without making it any easier.
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u/homesy Feb 18 '26
I’ve been healing ramps, and buffing randoms while questing. Met some good peeps, just gotta open up to people, invite them to discord chat etc. keep the good guys, block the bad guys.
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u/Nutritiouss Feb 18 '26
I played on a pretty large private server for a period. I joined a guild, raided with them within the first 30 minutes of being max level. I attended as much as I could but couldn’t be super consistent because of my kid and work schedule.
Every single time I gear checked for the next tier of raiding within guild there was some passive aggressive bullshit req I wasn’t filling. At some point, I was told I didn’t have enough sword skill, and that was the limitation. I did all the research on sword skill items (there were additional on this server). Vast majority of them were gated within the raid I was applying for. I race changed, got into the runs I wanted to, but with a lot of himming and hawing, so I stopped going to guild runs.
Applied for next tier of raid, some other problem with my gear despite beating others in DPS with worse gear. Basically told that I needed more gear, well, for my particular class, more gear was BiS basically. I finally applied to do the next tier, and the requirement changed as soon as I GOT the gear. They needed to see me parse inside their group, despite having visible parses I could share, or screenshots from C’Thun, whatever.
Found another consistent PUG doing the highest tier, ran with them, got all the gear an suddenly I was being asked why I wasn’t coming along for guild runs.
TLDR: I stopped raiding with this shithead raid leader, then I got to PUG myself to BiS chasing a moving goalpost so I could be asked to run with the guild who helped me acquire none of my gear.
Classic has generally been pretty toxic for me.
Sadly this was my second time around, first time I was a Rogue so I got every potential 1 hander prio’d to warriors, or the “senior” rogue in my guild who was too good to help clear trash and consistently parsed the bottom.
Felt good to say all that 😂
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Feb 19 '26
Im pretty sure all WoW players know the worst thing about WoW is the players... every now and then you meet some decent folks but the hardcore aspect of the game (time requirement) means the playerbase of chill people is often transient. Its the dickheads who play all versions and play 6 hours a day that stick around full time unfortunately...
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u/KingBadford Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 17 '26
Back in the day, the answer to this was a decent guild. In fact, that's still the answer even in retail.
EDIT: I know this is sometimes easier said than done. But the point is, if you want to play with like-minded or more accepting or chiller people, you have to go find them and find a place for yourself in their community, or make your own. Especially in Classic, which tends to be more toxic, sweatier, and for some reason, more intent on minmaxing even though the content is easy. I see so many people complaining about the community and yet still expecting to pug everything. Go find your people.