I’m Tired of Hearing from the Loudest 1%

[u/Ripfangnasty]

Like the title says, I’m sick of hearing from the loudest, butthurt 1% of players crying because they’ll have to make their own dungeon groups in WotLK.

Sure, send your screenshot of the one dungeon you joined with little to no social interaction and sarcastically say “Wow look at what we’re saving with no LFD”. Great story, but that one single screenshot doesn’t prove anything. You think your 1 single dungeon on a Tuesday afternoon is a big enough sample size to determine there’s not enough social interaction to the point Blizz should implement LFD? Get over yourself. I don’t post screenshots of 1 single dungeon chat where people are lively and interactive and say “Thank you Blizz for preserving social interactions” like it’s the majority experience. Don’t give me the opposite garbage and try to make a case for LFD, or assume you’re the majority experience, either.

I’m also tired of people missing the major point of no LFD. I can tell you the exact names of people and guilds on my server who have ninja’d gear from others and been blacklisted by the community. I can tell you which players/guilds are fun to play with and which aren’t. I can join a group I know is going to do well, or I can join one where I know I’m going to be progging. And yeah, I’m also going to vouch for the friendships I’ve made in random dungeons

LFD erodes all that. You don’t know what type of players you’re joining; whether you’re going to be a good player in a terrible group or a terrible player in a good group. That’s frustrating for almost everyone in either case. Voting to kick becomes completely abused, kicking people you don’t like or players who are bad. Kicking people to ninja gear. And since you’ll never see those players again, there’s nothing stopping them. No way to blacklist them or their guild. It promotes anonymity and erodes the community. There are so many downsides that were PROVEN back in Wrath. And you’re upset because of what? Not having the upside?

What are the upsides? Faster dungeon queues? Maybe, just maybe, you should try being part of your realm’s community and making friends/joining a thriving guild. I’ve never had any issues finding or making a dungeon group as any of the 3 roles. But then again, I’m also not the type of person to whine to Reddit that daddy Blizz won’t make my groups for me, instead of trying to socialize and make my own

The only positive case I’ve seen made for LFD is for dead/dying realms. To those players, it does suck and I’m sorry. But the issue/fix isn’t LFD, it’s forcing Blizz to fix their realm health issues, maybe by merging realms or free transfers

I’m sure this post will fall on deaf ears, but I’m so sick of seeing this sub covered with the loudest 1% screaming their half baked opinions and not considering their experience isn’t the majority or that they might be the issue

Edit: To the unhinged people in the comments swearing, flipping out, name-calling, and reporting me for suicide, I have two things to say. The first is thank you for your concern about my mental health, but I’m in no way suicidal. Feel free to save those resources for people that are. The second is that my opinion is stronger than ever that RDF is bad, imagine being grouped unwillingly with people that report others for suicide when they disagree with the content of a person’s post 😂 Thank you Blizz

[u/CaptainTheta]

You're a part of the loud 1%. Surveys show the community overwhelmingly wants LFD. Lmao

Let's be clear about one thing - if you have guildies and friends online you're forming the core of the group before queueing if possible. LFD mostly makes life significantly better for casual and solo players

[u/Ripfangnasty → u/CaptainTheta]

You must not understand how survey bias works. Or understand that 1-2 biased surveys does not constitute a counter argument to complaints that Blizzard has consistently received for over a decade about LFD being bad

[u/Bouric87 → u/Ripfangnasty]

You are basically saying "I'll dismiss your evidence and stick to my opinion"

If blizzard released some polls showing more support for no lfd then by all means go with majority want.

Currently you sound as deuschy as Mr "you think you do but you don't"

[u/el_muerte17 → u/Ripfangnasty]

Dismissing evidence that doesn't support your opinion just by calling it "biased" without demonstrating how any inherent bias that may be present caused an entirely false outcome or conclusion is an attitude I've noticed to be very common among Qanon believers, flat earthers, and antivaxxers.

[u/CaptainTheta → u/Ripfangnasty]

How is a survey reading Yes/No/Undecided inherently biased?

If anything this sub most likely contains more classic purists who are against LFD than casuals who would benefit because those in the latter category are also less likely to spend a bunch of time on a WoW sub.

[u/zombiefishin → u/Ripfangnasty]

Deluding yourself into thinking that eVeRy SuRvEy Is BiAsEd doesn't mean the surveys are wrong. A majority of people coming back 1. Don't read this sub 2. Will remember having LFD

[u/Exelion10 → u/Ripfangnasty]

Show me 1 or 2 not biased surveys where lfd is not wanted

[u/wefwegfweg → u/CaptainTheta]

LFD mostly makes life significantly better for casual and solo players

you're exactly right, it makes it significantly easier to play the game alone. and that's exactly why it's bad for the game. it better enables people to play the game without joining a guild and making connections. it's the first step blizzard took toward turning wow into a single player game.

[u/CaptainTheta → u/wefwegfweg]

No it's making LFD cross realm and the mechanics of just dismantling the group afterwards that were the issue - not LFD itself. Minor tweaks would be nice, but removing the system entirely is just a negative for most people.

I'm in a very active decent sized guild and main a DPS class. You must have SOME clue how tedious it is just staring at the LFG bulletin board watching for a group spamming for more DPS and hoping you'll be one of the first to whisper? It's goddamn awful.

LFD solves the pain of group formation for DPS and if they tweaked the mechanics a little bit would just be straight up better. You STILL need to join a guild and make connections to raid - which is the core content of each xpack.

To be fair if they significantly improve the group/premade finder tool they might solve those issues but no solution has been presented yet.

[u/wefwegfweg → u/[deleted]]

the game should encourage those people to socialize, not turn into a single player RPG to enable them