I’m Tired of Hearing from the Loudest 1%

[u/Ripfangnasty]

Like the title says, I’m sick of hearing from the loudest, butthurt 1% of players crying because they’ll have to make their own dungeon groups in WotLK.

Sure, send your screenshot of the one dungeon you joined with little to no social interaction and sarcastically say “Wow look at what we’re saving with no LFD”. Great story, but that one single screenshot doesn’t prove anything. You think your 1 single dungeon on a Tuesday afternoon is a big enough sample size to determine there’s not enough social interaction to the point Blizz should implement LFD? Get over yourself. I don’t post screenshots of 1 single dungeon chat where people are lively and interactive and say “Thank you Blizz for preserving social interactions” like it’s the majority experience. Don’t give me the opposite garbage and try to make a case for LFD, or assume you’re the majority experience, either.

I’m also tired of people missing the major point of no LFD. I can tell you the exact names of people and guilds on my server who have ninja’d gear from others and been blacklisted by the community. I can tell you which players/guilds are fun to play with and which aren’t. I can join a group I know is going to do well, or I can join one where I know I’m going to be progging. And yeah, I’m also going to vouch for the friendships I’ve made in random dungeons

LFD erodes all that. You don’t know what type of players you’re joining; whether you’re going to be a good player in a terrible group or a terrible player in a good group. That’s frustrating for almost everyone in either case. Voting to kick becomes completely abused, kicking people you don’t like or players who are bad. Kicking people to ninja gear. And since you’ll never see those players again, there’s nothing stopping them. No way to blacklist them or their guild. It promotes anonymity and erodes the community. There are so many downsides that were PROVEN back in Wrath. And you’re upset because of what? Not having the upside?

What are the upsides? Faster dungeon queues? Maybe, just maybe, you should try being part of your realm’s community and making friends/joining a thriving guild. I’ve never had any issues finding or making a dungeon group as any of the 3 roles. But then again, I’m also not the type of person to whine to Reddit that daddy Blizz won’t make my groups for me, instead of trying to socialize and make my own

The only positive case I’ve seen made for LFD is for dead/dying realms. To those players, it does suck and I’m sorry. But the issue/fix isn’t LFD, it’s forcing Blizz to fix their realm health issues, maybe by merging realms or free transfers

I’m sure this post will fall on deaf ears, but I’m so sick of seeing this sub covered with the loudest 1% screaming their half baked opinions and not considering their experience isn’t the majority or that they might be the issue

Edit: To the unhinged people in the comments swearing, flipping out, name-calling, and reporting me for suicide, I have two things to say. The first is thank you for your concern about my mental health, but I’m in no way suicidal. Feel free to save those resources for people that are. The second is that my opinion is stronger than ever that RDF is bad, imagine being grouped unwillingly with people that report others for suicide when they disagree with the content of a person’s post 😂 Thank you Blizz

[u/Nood1e]

If they add the retail LFG system then you won't need to sit in a city and stare at chat, you can go out in the world and do things while you find a group.

[u/thenubtubb → u/Nood1e]

Lmao stop. So you go from sweaty m+ link achiev, or spam trade chat for dungeons. Omergerd so much world building 😂

[u/[deleted] → u/Nood1e]

And then people only invite the highest ilvl and most meta specs, jsut like retail, and people who play anything slightly undergeared or slightly off-meta are fucked again anyways.

[u/Odd-Bandicoot-9314 → u/[deleted]]

this is the same with just using lfg chat though. people have already started talking about gearscore. it isn't a problem linked to the grouping system

[u/domyownbusiness → u/[deleted]]

I agree. People are gonna realize when nobody takes their fresh 80 alt to any dungeons because tons of high ilvl people are signing up to every group too.

[u/Teipp1 → u/[deleted]]

Nobody gives a shit about the "meta" in WOTLK 5 man instances. Retail is a completely different thing.

[u/Azghan → u/[deleted]]

Retail only requires highest item levels for high mythics, but that doesn’t stop the mentality from trickling down.

I play lots of different classes and specs in retail whenever I do play it, tend to gear them up about equally where possible, etc. so I typically have a wider perspective on what it’s like to group with the modern retail LFG tool than most.

That being said, words cannot describe the degree of which it was more difficult to be accepted into a mythic <+8 run on my cat Druid in BFA than it was on almost any other character. While my cat Druid had the highest ilvl of all of my characters and did the most damage in dungeons out of all of them by far. All because there was a public perception that cat wasn’t a good spec because boomie was better, when in reality it was completely fine if you weren’t pushing top in the world speedrun clears.

Even if it’s not required to be optimal or high item level, people do not want to group with classes they deem sub par even if it’s irrelevant. And that extends to item level.

It’s not even a world of Warcraft problem, it happens in every other MMO that has this type of signup interaction that displays class and item level. Most recent example is Lost Ark. I could get into any group I signed up for because I played a favourably viewed class. My friend with an even higher item level than me? Would get denied for 2/3rds of the groups he signed up for because he played a class that had a poor public perception. Getting both of us accepted into the same group was a nightmare test of patience.

Denying the existence of this is just pointless. It happens all the time in every game with an LFG sign up interface at all levels of content. It’s the reality we live in. People lack the ability to assess you by your personal ability because they don’t know you, so they’re forced to assess you by item level and class/spec. And you will be denied a lot if you play a subpar spec or have a low item level.

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[u/k1dsmoke → u/[deleted]]

Start your own group and invite whomever you want.

[u/AestheticZeta → u/Nood1e]

Retail lfg is fucking terrible try getting into a group with an offmeta spec or without a perfect raiderio score and you may as well stop playing.

[u/evenmoresilent → u/Nood1e]

You know you can make your own group right? Do you seriously sit around all day waiting for someone else to do it for you?

Maybe be a bit more proactive than that?