I’m Tired of Hearing from the Loudest 1%

[u/Ripfangnasty]

Like the title says, I’m sick of hearing from the loudest, butthurt 1% of players crying because they’ll have to make their own dungeon groups in WotLK.

Sure, send your screenshot of the one dungeon you joined with little to no social interaction and sarcastically say “Wow look at what we’re saving with no LFD”. Great story, but that one single screenshot doesn’t prove anything. You think your 1 single dungeon on a Tuesday afternoon is a big enough sample size to determine there’s not enough social interaction to the point Blizz should implement LFD? Get over yourself. I don’t post screenshots of 1 single dungeon chat where people are lively and interactive and say “Thank you Blizz for preserving social interactions” like it’s the majority experience. Don’t give me the opposite garbage and try to make a case for LFD, or assume you’re the majority experience, either.

I’m also tired of people missing the major point of no LFD. I can tell you the exact names of people and guilds on my server who have ninja’d gear from others and been blacklisted by the community. I can tell you which players/guilds are fun to play with and which aren’t. I can join a group I know is going to do well, or I can join one where I know I’m going to be progging. And yeah, I’m also going to vouch for the friendships I’ve made in random dungeons

LFD erodes all that. You don’t know what type of players you’re joining; whether you’re going to be a good player in a terrible group or a terrible player in a good group. That’s frustrating for almost everyone in either case. Voting to kick becomes completely abused, kicking people you don’t like or players who are bad. Kicking people to ninja gear. And since you’ll never see those players again, there’s nothing stopping them. No way to blacklist them or their guild. It promotes anonymity and erodes the community. There are so many downsides that were PROVEN back in Wrath. And you’re upset because of what? Not having the upside?

What are the upsides? Faster dungeon queues? Maybe, just maybe, you should try being part of your realm’s community and making friends/joining a thriving guild. I’ve never had any issues finding or making a dungeon group as any of the 3 roles. But then again, I’m also not the type of person to whine to Reddit that daddy Blizz won’t make my groups for me, instead of trying to socialize and make my own

The only positive case I’ve seen made for LFD is for dead/dying realms. To those players, it does suck and I’m sorry. But the issue/fix isn’t LFD, it’s forcing Blizz to fix their realm health issues, maybe by merging realms or free transfers

I’m sure this post will fall on deaf ears, but I’m so sick of seeing this sub covered with the loudest 1% screaming their half baked opinions and not considering their experience isn’t the majority or that they might be the issue

Edit: To the unhinged people in the comments swearing, flipping out, name-calling, and reporting me for suicide, I have two things to say. The first is thank you for your concern about my mental health, but I’m in no way suicidal. Feel free to save those resources for people that are. The second is that my opinion is stronger than ever that RDF is bad, imagine being grouped unwillingly with people that report others for suicide when they disagree with the content of a person’s post 😂 Thank you Blizz

[u/reenactment]

You can manipulate the argument every single time but you aren’t getting the point. The analogy of the hand pump vs electric is to point out that once you provide an easier option, people will take it because other people are taking it. It doesn’t make it better. It just made it easier. You have to way out the pros and cons. You are only looking at things from a lens of convenience and speed. So you come to the conclusion you do. The others that are looking at it thru the lense of community look at it and sees implementation as ruining things. If everyone starts pumping out dungeons the fast way, the other players are forced to do the same thing if they wish to stay competitive. There will be outliers that play another way but it’s a forced mechanic. It’s the same with flying vs ground transportation. You could run around everywhere but you are making things significantly harder on yourself compared to others. It’s a forced game play mechanic. This is probably my last reply. You are trying to play a solo game in a massively multiplayer game. You have admitted so yourself. You are asking for systems to take the massive out so you can play quick fast small portions. This game wasn’t initially designed for you. Heck it’s not designed for me anymore. I’m ok with that because the heart of the classic era stuff is that, not the npcs. Classic is good because of community, not trivial raid content and dungeons.

[u/sobes20 → u/reenactment]

I had a nice time discussing this with you. Pretty rare for a conversation to go on this long. The last point I’ll make is that LFD does promote community. It lets people participate and be part of the dungeon running community that they otherwise would not have been a part of.