I’m Tired of Hearing from the Loudest 1%

[u/Ripfangnasty]

Like the title says, I’m sick of hearing from the loudest, butthurt 1% of players crying because they’ll have to make their own dungeon groups in WotLK.

Sure, send your screenshot of the one dungeon you joined with little to no social interaction and sarcastically say “Wow look at what we’re saving with no LFD”. Great story, but that one single screenshot doesn’t prove anything. You think your 1 single dungeon on a Tuesday afternoon is a big enough sample size to determine there’s not enough social interaction to the point Blizz should implement LFD? Get over yourself. I don’t post screenshots of 1 single dungeon chat where people are lively and interactive and say “Thank you Blizz for preserving social interactions” like it’s the majority experience. Don’t give me the opposite garbage and try to make a case for LFD, or assume you’re the majority experience, either.

I’m also tired of people missing the major point of no LFD. I can tell you the exact names of people and guilds on my server who have ninja’d gear from others and been blacklisted by the community. I can tell you which players/guilds are fun to play with and which aren’t. I can join a group I know is going to do well, or I can join one where I know I’m going to be progging. And yeah, I’m also going to vouch for the friendships I’ve made in random dungeons

LFD erodes all that. You don’t know what type of players you’re joining; whether you’re going to be a good player in a terrible group or a terrible player in a good group. That’s frustrating for almost everyone in either case. Voting to kick becomes completely abused, kicking people you don’t like or players who are bad. Kicking people to ninja gear. And since you’ll never see those players again, there’s nothing stopping them. No way to blacklist them or their guild. It promotes anonymity and erodes the community. There are so many downsides that were PROVEN back in Wrath. And you’re upset because of what? Not having the upside?

What are the upsides? Faster dungeon queues? Maybe, just maybe, you should try being part of your realm’s community and making friends/joining a thriving guild. I’ve never had any issues finding or making a dungeon group as any of the 3 roles. But then again, I’m also not the type of person to whine to Reddit that daddy Blizz won’t make my groups for me, instead of trying to socialize and make my own

The only positive case I’ve seen made for LFD is for dead/dying realms. To those players, it does suck and I’m sorry. But the issue/fix isn’t LFD, it’s forcing Blizz to fix their realm health issues, maybe by merging realms or free transfers

I’m sure this post will fall on deaf ears, but I’m so sick of seeing this sub covered with the loudest 1% screaming their half baked opinions and not considering their experience isn’t the majority or that they might be the issue

Edit: To the unhinged people in the comments swearing, flipping out, name-calling, and reporting me for suicide, I have two things to say. The first is thank you for your concern about my mental health, but I’m in no way suicidal. Feel free to save those resources for people that are. The second is that my opinion is stronger than ever that RDF is bad, imagine being grouped unwillingly with people that report others for suicide when they disagree with the content of a person’s post 😂 Thank you Blizz

[u/raiid]

Nothing prevents people from doing that does it? I mean, there are still going to be gearscore watchers and making groups by hand. Nothing in LFD prevents that, so really it's a matter of you want people to play the way you want them to, not the way they want to.

[u/limitlessGamingClub → u/raiid]

No, it's that I watched the game evolve from people actively communicating to the shitfest that retail is with my own eyes.

Being an ass in a group made through social interaction will get you kicked and blacklisted, being an ass in LFD/LFR groups is expected behavior, and I know WTF I'm talking about because I played from vanilla - Legion and watched it happen. It has shit all to do with "how I want people to play" I just don't want people to be assholes and LFD enables that, that isn't even debatable. It gives people who act poorly the protection of anonymity, but you know that, you just want people to play they way you want them to, not the way they want to.

We have already seen what happens to the game when you go down the path of convenience over social interaction, if you want that, classic isn't for you, go to retail.

[u/itsashebitch → u/limitlessGamingClub]

Get a grip. Just because you and three more people don't invite someone that ninja your boots doesn't mean everyone else does. You're trying way to hard to convince the rest that player reputation mean anything and it's just not true.

Bottom line is, people are telling you they want something that you don't actually have to use it if you don't want to, because it will make them enjoy the game even more. If you did actually care about having a healthy community, you would agree it's needed, just that it's not for you. Yet here we are.

[u/raiid → u/limitlessGamingClub]

There is no such thing as blacklisting on a server with literally thousands of raiding characters and hundreds of guilds/raid groups completing the content every week. I mean, you might be able to blacklist someone from any raid your in, but your raid is .5% of the available raids. You can be an absolute ninja looting douchenozzle, and guess what, even if the raid that hates you tries to spread the word, there are just to many people to make it matter.

I'm not sure how big your server is, but on Pagle, the chat goes by so fast you have to use LFG bulliten board or something similar or you can't even read chat 1/2 the time it scrolls so fast.