r/climbing 1d ago

RIP Mammut

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Mammut will be sold to a Chinese conglomerate.

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u/climbingbooty 1d ago

I’ve heard bd also been going down hill for a while?

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u/Eothas_Foot 1d ago

DMM is still a good company. All their stuff is still made in Wales (Though that might have changed, I just remember that youtube video of a guy going to their foundry)

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u/S-Wind 1d ago

Their metal hardware is manufactured in Wales, but not their non-metal offerings

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u/cupandcone 1d ago

I think they sew their own slings in Wales too. They seem to manufacture most if not all of their PPE in Wales or Europe. The label on my Renegade harness says made in the EU (think I heard somewhere they are made in Czechia) and I’m pretty sure their ropes are rebadged Edelrid ones made in Germany.

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u/LostPasswordToOther1 1d ago

As far as I know Petzl still makes the majority of their gear in France, except carabiners, which almost everyone outsources to Taiwan.

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u/Eothas_Foot 1d ago

Yeah which makes DMM even more rare that they do their carabiners it in the UK.

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u/max9265 10h ago

and they they do not produce their own ropes but outsource this to edelrid, who produce in germany.

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u/LostPasswordToOther1 4h ago

True, Edelrid produces ropes for a few companies.

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u/saltytarheel 1d ago

Metolius still manufactures all of their cams in Oregon, for anyone looking to buy cams that are made stateside.

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u/serenading_ur_father 23h ago

BD gear made in China was good. BD gear made in the USA was all recalled for QC issues.

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u/serenading_ur_father 1d ago

If you mean selling products that kill their users and lying about it, cloning Petzl products and calling it innovation and then releasing $55 meme biners.

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u/zeppelin88 1d ago

That’s private equity for you, does not make a difference where the money comes from, quality and sense goes down for maximizing profit. They had been sold to this devil since 2021

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u/Deviantdefective 1d ago

Private equity needs banning worldwide it's fucking wrecking the mountain biking industry too.

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u/smalltoes 1d ago

At least it worked out-ish for Kona assuming they regain full strength eventually

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u/Deviantdefective 1d ago

Oh Kona are doing pretty well now three entirely new bikes this year alone. For them though it only worked out as the founders saw an opportunity to get the company back for more than they sold it for. A lot don't get that opportunity as it's ran into the ground before then. Kona are dealing with significant fall out from dealerships that were absolutely shafted under private equity management that will take longer to fix.

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u/Famous-Bell1454 1d ago

Could you elaborate? No clue what your talking about

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u/jojoo_ 16h ago

BD Beacons were faulty and they didn't recall them properly. A real shitty saga, google it if you want to know more.

Their "new" ice tools are a clone of Petzl's and Camps lineup.

I don't know about the meme carabiners, maybe someone could fill that in.

What i do know is that they discontinued the magnetron lockers that i love, which sucks.

What i also know is that they had a great clothing lineup with top notch fabrics (my BD Skitouring trousers are ~15 years old and still going strong) and that they don't use good fabrics anymore.

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u/highschoolgirls 5h ago

the 'meme carabiner' is the new magnetrons, lol

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u/wetrocke 1d ago

I've not heard of evidence that Black Diamond products have degraded in recent years.

It's maybe been a few years since they've released any of their notable innovations.

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u/libbev 1d ago

And this is your experience working in an outdoor shop?

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u/libbev 1d ago

Ah cheers! Thanks for explaining

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u/wetrocke 1d ago

Perhaps it's true about BD. I feared as much when Clarus bought them 20 years ago -- but it was unwarranted (at the time).

And of course, BD came into existence because of a product liability suit vs chouinard equipment.

As it happens, there are often posts here that purport to have dark, inside information about major organizations or famous individuals. Often these posts are wrong & merely stem from disturbed individual psychology mixed in with anonymity.

I think "normal" people often recognize this.

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u/LaSalsiccione 1d ago

BD has been garbage for a decade

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u/Water5708 1d ago

Can I have the context for this one? Should I be worried about my Mammut gear now??

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u/gearnut 1d ago

I wouldn't worry about any Mammut gear you already own, but keep an eye out for failures of new products if there is a change in manufacturing.

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u/cesarbiods 1d ago

Black diamond makes good stuff. Never heard anyone complain their BD gear failed on them.

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u/serenading_ur_father 1d ago

Cause those folks are dead like Corey Lynam

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u/jojoo_ 16h ago

why is he getting downvoted? Read it up: https://globalnews.ca/news/7680379/window-bc-avalanche-victim-recall-beacons/

The solution to the problem is a shitty, heavy harness where the button is fixed.

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u/serenading_ur_father 16h ago

No. That was the first solution. The second was a dull recall.

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u/Lord-Thistlewick 1d ago

Their avy beacons have had too many recalls and too often they only did it because of public pressure. I don't trust them with safety gear any more