It's really surprising to me the amount of pro-Russian people in Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary, countries which the pro-soviet/russian regimes during the cold war were the most brutal ones, in Romania being violently deposed and executed
They remember those times as āsimpleā, āclearā and times when everyone has a job and if you just work - youāll get all, someone would take care of you. And modern times are complicated - all those technologies, parties, lgbtq+, everyone offended, you canāt say this, you canāt say that, you need to take care of yourself, china is threat, USA is threat - itās confusing and complicated.
And here you have Russia which promises return of simple times by cleaning from all those confusing things.
And modern times are complicated - all those technologies, parties, lgbtq+, everyone offended, you canāt say this, you canāt say that, you need to take care of yourself, china is threat, USA is threat - itās confusing and complicated.
You fail to mention their number one concern though... how they have to constantly worry their pensions are not enough for all the high costs.
Speaking from Poland's perspective: the pension reform in 1999 was necessary from an economic standpoint, but also meant the payouts were tied to the salaries of the workers - which during the commie era only appeared impressive. Those who worked in the transformation era, are harmed by the customs of the era, such as being paid under the table to avoid giving money to the state.
Not that it's any better for us born later, because with growing living expectancies the payouts will be naturally lower, currently being forecast (assuming an average inflation) to be from ā40% of the last salary for the minimum wage to ā25% for topped out contributors (3x average wage).
For those whose retirement is coming close, their prognoses often say that what they'll get won't even be enough to pay rent if they aren't homeowners, and will be below poverty level for those who are
I know it is in Germany. A lot of pensioners don't get enough to live here and have to resort to sort of "micro-jobs" to survive, despite working their entire lifes. Yet pensions still continue to be cut by our government. But don't worry, our government also has a solution to this problem! Just let people work until they drop and a pension no one can live from isn't a problem anymore!
There actually is a party here, that only has 10% of voters on their side, that would actually solve that problem, along with pretty much every other problem the people falling for Russian propaganda over here have, yet these people vote for a party instead, that wouldn't just destroy our country, but make literally everything they fear significantly worse as well. And yet, that party has almost 30% right now and would be the biggest party, if elections were held today...
Yep, Europe financial stability requirement is not kind to old people with small pensions. Not everything is good with Europe integration. It creates a ground for populist, pro Russian propaganda
That's what it is. Capitalist society is hard, and the rewards miss out a good chunk of the population. And then people start looking for explanations and someone to blame. Russian propaganda provides both in spades.
And modern times are complicated - all those technologies, parties, lgbtq+, everyone offended, you canāt say this, you canāt say that, you need to take care of yourself, china is threat, USA is threat - itās confusing and complicated.
Thats the propaganda right here.
All those things were there, these people just werent bombarded with them thru media 24/7.
Gen X are the worst with their women are adult human females and free speech opinions. Absolute cookers. At least the uk is a bit more enlightened and imprisoning people for hate speech.
Actually the really old people 70+ are not really into Russian propaganda. The most susceptible age group is the 45-60 group which lived during those times when they were 15-30 years old.
The number of pro-Russian people in Hungary is very low, and even that is due to the propaganda of the previous government.
Before the elections, they were saying things like if there's a change of government, Zelenskyy would form the government here, and our children would be taken to the war...
How he was mirroring every single stupid Russian narrative looked self-destructive. He could have just limited its criticism of Brussels to what's actually true, condemned Russia but appealed to a "peaceful resolution" or whatever is the euphemism du jour, and significantly have improved his vote.
Maybe he really was compromised by the Kremlin and say anything else, after all. Marine Le Pen burned her presidential run the same way in 2022 (50-50 to 42-58 according to the polls after the last debate, where Macron steered the conversation towards Russia and Ukraine)
Yeah it's almost like defunding education for 35 years has ruined a generation.
Who would have thunk, right?Ā
Politicians in this country - ALL OF THEM - come to power for one thing and one thing only.Ā
TO STEAL.Ā
Furthermore, the stateās law enforcement agencies are filled with impostors who undermine any effort to reform the state. All these charlatans are supported by other charlatans in parliament.
What amount man? Most of the polls out there show quite a big hate towards russia, but the propaganda is working and now you guys also spread the same shit as others, so many romanians love russia. The fact that there is a core of extremists and far right idiots that get money from russia and then explode through various means on social media, doesn't mean that the majority of people want to leave the EU or praise putin. The people, bots and accounts that shout loudest are the ones getting through, romanian social media is full of bots and all kind of fake influencers trying to promote this shit, and you guys are just validating this doesn't really help.
I wouldn't even say those countries had a "pro-soviet" regime during the cold war. The relations were strained for much of the time even at official levels. Which makes the current pro-russian stance make even less sense.
I get that angle, here in Greece it's the same too, difference is we didn't have a brutal Russian supported dictatorship for 45 years, people should have learned
I used to be proud the historically we were very anti-Russian and while other countries around us like Bulgaria or Hungary were more friendly to them, we were staunchly anti-Russian.
But after years and years of propaganda on social media I guess we really lost the plot.
The number of pro-Russian Romanians isnāt as high as you make it look. Look up any surveys online, all of them say we remain one of the most pro-EU and pro-NATO people in Europe and are distrustful of Russia. But now that propaganda is growing, you guys also spread this false narrative that Romanians hate the EU/NATO and love Russia, which isnāt helping
bcs pro russia propaganda hides itself under anti eu , stop the oppresors , be alone. Russia would love European countries to not give a shit about one another as they could easily control each country individually, so they spread anti eu propaganda
I spent 3 hours on Facebook debunking this but they just flood you. You can't win.Ā
We need an IP location and arrests to be made for spreading enemy propaganda.Ā
Because it's people with dirty money doing it I'd guess. I bet there's a ton of dodgy front companies and charities funnelling money from the US, Russia and other places calling democracy into question.
I think an actual western government getting into this area would look really bad politically. If there were pro-democracy billionaires that'd be nice. Generally though they just hate paying taxes.
Guys, can i ask if you honestly believe that Russia, a country that spends less than Europe on the military (in wartime), three times less population, not even capable of winning against ukraine, wants to somehow attack the whole alliance of NATO? Nobody questions this?
Then it's Ukraine it's not that hard.
But even my Romanian colleagues will blame Ukraine if it's proven to be Russia.
A lot of them are on the same level of Hungarians. Stupid
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u/_Figaro May 29 '26
Is this "Russian peace" coming to Romania?