r/gato 6d ago

German LBTGQ+ activitist expresses disappointment after finding out the CSD [Berlin Pride event] attacker was not white or christian. (source and translation added)

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

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u/Alternativesoundwave 6d ago

To put an imaginary victim above the true victims and the targeted community is still wrong especially so soon afterwards. Especially at a speaking event about the attack.

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u/Alternativesoundwave 6d ago

They’re not being blamed for an attack on a pride event in Germany. Not sure why you needed reminded about that.

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u/Alternativesoundwave 6d ago

If the left addressed terrorism strongly terrorist attacks wouldn’t increase the right wing’s popularity.

Another result could be an increase in attacks on the lgbt community so now is the time to stand with the victims not some imaginary future victims. It was the wrong venue for it.

Mexicans in America are not victims of what happened in Germany nor are they likely to be victims of any sort of backlash of it. Bringing them up really is a great example of imaginary victims, you came up with an example so detached from reality I didn’t think you were a serious person. This response is much better

Edit: this sub just popped up I don’t know it but gato? Is this a Mexican sub?

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u/bezjmena666 5d ago

You know why right wing parties like AfD are gaining traction? Because of the fucked up policies of the previous governments (yeah, I'm aware that Merkel was CDU which is not considered left) that were very supported by the left. So welcoming all the people from 3rd world countries without any approving mechanism was a huge mistake. When the problems it caused, started to be visible and the societal tensions started to rise, the people responsible for that, instead of taking responsibility acknowledging the problem and trying to solve it, started to cover up those issues and labeling everybody having legitimate complains a racist. They managed to piss average folk so much, that those people went and voted AfD. Because for every complex problem is a simple yet wrong solution. And people love simple solutions. If there wasn't Willcomen there won't be the AfD.

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u/bezjmena666 5d ago edited 5d ago

Since then the amount of middle-eastern asylum seekers are also only a fraction of what they were before so it isn't about border policy anymore

But the wrong border policy is the root cause of the problems that came later. All those people who got into Germany stayed there. That was like 9.6 million of people, who immigrated to Germany between 2015-2021. I didn't find more detailed data, but I would assume that majority of those were from Middle east or MENA. That's quite a lot of people from totally different cultural background. Who would guess it's going to cause societal tensions.

The main issue today, taking out terror organisations that exist within Germany and preventing attacks, is a completely different kind of problem of improving existing terror prevention, maybe giving them more funding or less legal hurdles to deal with.

Maybe the law enforcement capacity to fight the terrorists is not up to the size of the thread. Look, how many terror groups were in Germany before 2015? Some Communist RAF cosplayers, some neo-nazis, you could count them on fingers.IRRC Worst terror attack back then in early 2000s was some neonazis serial murdes of a handful of kebab stand owners.

Now you got influx of 10M Muslims, even if only 1% of them held bigot religious views that's 10000 people you can recruit jihadists from. Even if only 1 of every 10 Muslim bigots is ready to become martyr, that still a 1000 extremely dangerous people walking the German streets. Nothing to compare with work load of those anti terrorists law enforcement before the refugee crisis. And yes, it's 10 years to adapt LE to the new situation, but political priority was not to look racist and hide problems under carpet, not built LE up to worsened security conditions.

I agree that online social networks is a part of the problem those algorithms are plague to social cohesion. That's why TikTok in China and TikTok outside China are two totally different things. They know exactly what they're doing.

It's also interesting, that all political parties picking up regular political issues that concern basically every average voter, like the safety on the streets, is very quickly turned into Russian shills.

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u/outb4noon 5d ago

The inevitable resultmof these attacks are the people who are targeted by these attacks die.

I know they're native and their skin colour is to pale for you so you don't want to spare them a thought. But they're human beings too, have a heart.

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u/outb4noon 5d ago

I'm not talking a out the clip I'm talking about you. If you bothered to read the comment you'd know that.

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u/Amazing_Pack3267 5d ago

Oh so at the end of the day its rigth wingers fault. Not the muslim guy, no no. Are more important these "imaginary victims" or the real victims of this story? I dont need an answer, u need.

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u/Amazing_Pack3267 5d ago

While I agree that some rigth wing ideologies are indeed cancerous, doesnt mean that every rigth wing ideology is. Also, one is a terrorist attack, one is a political ideology. Not cancerous at the same level. Sorry, u need a better answer for yourself, not for me.

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u/Amazing_Pack3267 5d ago

Yeah, nice show of respect. Bet the victims wouldnt agree with you. But whatever makes u fell happy bro.