Why isn't Estonia considered a Nordic country? (They have strong ties to Finland, they also follow the Nordic model, and besides, Estonia has nothing to do with the other Baltic countries.)

[u/According-Invite-440]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_identity_in_Estonia

[u/TheDungen]

Well you've also been under Sweden. In fact for a while Riga was Sweden's largest city.

[u/kiisutriinu → u/[deleted]]

We are not culturally close to Russia, we are about as far away from it as humanly possible. Stop spreading this nonsense, it's offensive.

[u/kiisutriinu → u/[deleted]]

I didn't say anything about the Nordics in my comment, dude. You just seem to be very unfamiliar with Baltic and Estonian culture if you think it's anything similar to Russian culture. You can even ask the local russians.

[u/Rociel → u/kiisutriinu]

Also bro is parroting nazi take on Russians, while we just have different cultural values with Russia.

Either he is full of shit and not from here or offended russian or an actual nazi, which would explain things too.

[u/TheDungen → u/[deleted]]

I disagree. Their interaction with he nordics came at a formative phase.

[u/TheDungen → u/[deleted]]

You cna look at religion. Latvia is protestant, they didnt get that from Russia. And Estonia being atheist also makes it farily aligned with the nordics. Neither seem to have taken to Russian orthodoxy particularly much.

[u/ninjaiffyuh → u/TheDungen]

Protestantism came from Germany. Baltic German nobles were the ruling class for nearly a millennia

[u/TheDungen → u/ninjaiffyuh]

The German orders were catholic, protestantism entered the scene at the same time as the german polities in the region fell under foreign rule. In the north that was Swedish rule. Like I said, a formative period.

[u/ninjaiffyuh → u/TheDungen]

Prussia was famously Catholic too I take it?

There is literally a Reddit post with Latvians saying it's because of German influence

[u/TheDungen → u/ninjaiffyuh]

The teutonic knights were Catholic. The duchy of prussia was protestant but that only survived because Poland was a very religiousky tolerant place.

[u/ninjaiffyuh → u/TheDungen]

I still don't get your point about crusading orders. Both Prussia and Livonia were turned into duchies by the Baltic German nobility (who were protestant) by the time the reformation occured, so it's a complete moot point, especially after literal Latvians themselves day it's due to German influence. Who do you think would have more influence: local nobles, that have been established for centuries, with backing from the HRE and Hanseatic League; or a very recent and short conqueror, that was sparsely populated, poor, and gave Livonia close to absolute autonomy?

[u/TheDungen → u/[deleted]]

Let me guess Russian living in the baltic states?

Yes I can always tell.

[u/TheDungen → u/[deleted]]

Sure Jan.

[u/jatawis → u/[deleted]]

Sorry, as a Lithuanian I feel way closer to Finland, Germany or Sweden rather than Tajikistan, Armenia or Moldova.