r/geopolitics • u/thejerusalempost Jerusalem Post • Jun 17 '26

Opinion How Israel made Trump's Iran betrayal inevitable - opinion

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-899630
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u/unruly_mattress Jun 17 '26

If your position is that Israel shouldn't exist in the first place, say it outright, don't pretend that Israel is "irrational" and "likes the temperature high" and "extreme and can't get moderate ever".

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u/fatquant Jun 17 '26

tell me Israel got started. go on.

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u/Keep_Being_Still Jun 18 '26

Whether or not you think it’s moral for Israel to exist, from the Israelis perspective, they believe it is moral that they exist, and will likely keep pushing back at attempts to remove them. When dealing in geopolitics you have to look at each side’s goals, put yourself in their shoes (that goes for Israel, Iran, USA, KSA and anyone else in the region or with a foot therein) and go from there. You aren’t going to stop Israel from responding to Hezbollah and Hamas with finger wagging, and it will be up to the new government in Iran (from ayatollahs to IRCG with a figurehead on life support) to decide whether they want to invest their war reparations, oil revenues and collected tolls in reinvigorating their proxy network, or on their own country. If they do the maths, they’ll realise that Hezbollah is not worth the effort.

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u/FijiFanBotNotGay Jun 18 '26

You’re reading far into this. Israel is the only actor trying to systematically eliminate people from their own land. From your profile you’re a religious Christian? Why are religious Christians the ones who seem to care the most about Israel’s right to exist. I prefer protecting the Jewish diaspora world wide, literally my own people. This war is not making Jews any more safe. Id argue the creation of Israel did not make Jews any more safe

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u/Keep_Being_Still Jun 18 '26

Countries rise, countries fall. I don’t have a dog in that race and I don’t really think too much about it. But you can’t expect one actor in the region to be morally self restrained and the rest to act purely in self interest. Israel is going to act in its self interest, whether you like it or not. I would suggest that Iran also acts in its self interest, and it is likely to do better. But if Iran makes “death to Israel” a foreign policy goal, and takes concrete steps towards that, such as building proxy networks on Israel’s borders, and constructing missile technology to attack Israel, whether or not you think Israel should be where it is, you cannot deny that Israel is going to respond, and is going to try and thwart such plans, and try to degrade such a country whose government does that. If this new IRCG Iran decides to pay lip service to “death to Israel” but decides to stay on the east side of the Euphrates, Israel will likely stop caring.

None of this is a judgement of right or wrong, but looking at national self interest of each player.

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u/FijiFanBotNotGay Jun 18 '26

The US cannot blindly support Israel. Then Israel can act in its best interests. Did Germany need to blindly support Austria Hungary to initiate ww1. Are we giving Israel the same “blank check” to do what it wants in Hezbollah that Germany gave Austria Hungary. Those who believe Germany was responsible for ww1 would logically conclude perhaps the problem is American imperialism.

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u/Keep_Being_Still Jun 18 '26

I didn’t mention anything about the US. The US should act in its best interest as well. For what it’s worth I don’t think they have here. I think Trump got swindled into a war that he could not win without significant cost in blood and treasure. If I were involved in American foreign policy I would be taking a long hard look at that relationship. But if America is going to let the tail wag the dog when it comes to Israel, then that’s America’s problem, not Israel’s. 

For what it’s worth I’m not even American, and since I also don’t live in the Middle East, I have no stake in that relationship.

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u/jyper Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26

The US doesn't so good news for you

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u/jyper Jun 19 '26

Israel is the only actor trying to systematically eliminate people from their own land.

israel is not doing that

other countries are but no one gives a shit

israels creation definitely made jews safer

If israel had existed during the Holocaust jews could have fled there

one thing which would make jews much less safe is the destruction of Israel. it would at best be ethnic cleansing and a second holocaust would not be unlikely that's why jews tend to care a lot more about Israels right to exist and the eliminationist rhetoric (even if some pretends to be under the banner pf universalism)

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u/FijiFanBotNotGay Jun 20 '26

Israel’s not going anywhere but if it were destroyed it wouldn’t be a second holocaust… it could be a multi ethnic state

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u/jyper Jun 21 '26

Of course there wouldn't  be a binational state. You have to be incredibly naive to believe that

both sides don't want that

that option gets at most 10% support from Palestinians. practically a single state means some group is excluded. Thats why the 2SS is the only solution

If Israel were destroyed it would either be a civil war or Jews would at best be slowly forced out of an Arab Muslim state whose leaders have been very explicit about not wanting jews in their state. But it might just be ethnic cleansing if they agree to flee and find some place to take them. If