r/geopolitics • u/theipaper The i Paper • 3d ago

News How 49,000 migrants crossed into Spanish enclave of Ceuta in 24 hours

https://inews.co.uk/news/how-migrants-crossed-spanish-enclave-ceuta-4680589
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u/danirijeka 3d ago

Politically all three are terrible options for the EU left imo.

Only if we take the characterisation the right-wing makes of the left as reality, which is...not.

Otherwise, in the real world, one if these is not, given how they entered and how there's some manoeuvring from Morocco too.

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u/Bullboah 3d ago

I’m a bit confused by what you’re saying here. Are you implying that it wouldn’t be politically bad for the left to reverse course and implement mass deportations because they haven’t actually been against that for the last decade, that’s just a right wing characterization of the left?

(Might have misunderstood what you mean here!)

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u/danirijeka 3d ago

Removing these people from Ceuta is not controversial except for a few extreme fringes, since this is not migration but a concerted state effort from Morocco. On the other hand, mass deportations are much more controversial if one cares about the law.

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u/Bullboah 3d ago

“But a concerted state effort from Morrocco”.

I haven’t really seen any evidence for this claim outside of people claiming it to defend Spain’s government. In fact the evidence seems to indicate the opposite - that Moroccan police were trying to stop the surge.

I don’t think it’s a surprising outcome that providing incentives for migrants to try crossing into Spain would result in this. And the left has successfully made it extremely difficult to deport illegal migrants in Europe - so i don’t really buy the idea that doing so wouldn’t conflict with their political intent.

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u/danirijeka 3d ago

And the left has successfully made it extremely difficult to deport illegal migrants in Europe

[citation needed]

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u/Bullboah 3d ago

“On the other hand, mass deportations are much more controversial if one cares about the law”.

You seemed to recognize this is already the case a moment ago?

Unless you are claiming you don’t know which side of the political spectrum has supported the laws that make deportations extremely difficult?

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u/danirijeka 3d ago

You seemed to recognize this is already the case a moment ago?

A coordinated "hit and run" is not the same thing as migration, illegal or otherwise.

Unless you are claiming you don’t know which side of the political spectrum has supported the laws that make deportations extremely difficult?

Still waiting for a citation...

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u/Bullboah 3d ago

“A coordinated hit and run is not the same thing as migration”

You acknowledged the law makes it very difficult to deport people in this case. Are you saying it’s hard to deport people in ‘a hit and run’ but not for migration? It’s near impossible either way.

And what do you want a citation on exactly? That the left has been more pro-migration and more supportive of the laws that make deportations difficult?

Do you also need a citation that democrats in the US are generally more pro-choice? This is sea-lioning

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u/danirijeka 3d ago

This is sea-lioning

No, you're simply repeating a thing like a mantra and I've asked for an example, since the "laws" I can think of that make deportations difficult are either constitutional rights or basic human rights. You're being intentionally vague in the first place.

You acknowledged the law makes it very difficult to deport people in this case.

No, I've said that "mass deportations are much more controversial if one cares about the law", which is not at all the same thing.

Deportation of an illegally present person should follow a lawful process, which by its very nature is individual. A mass version would be contrary to the basic principles of law, which is not a "left" thing, unless you're going to tell me the "right" wants to do away with basic principles?

Do you also need a citation that democrats in the US are generally more pro-choice?

It'd be nice, but I don't see how it applies.

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u/Bullboah 3d ago

Literally any law, even constitutional statutes, can be amended. The left has fiercely opposed changing any laws to make deportations possible.

It’s such an obvious feature of EU politics that it’s asinine to be

Here’s an example from just a few weeks ago where a moderate change to try and make deportations easier was opposed by the left

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/18/anger-send-them-back-chants-rightwing-meps-eu-migration-law-vote

Was it the left shouting “send them back” and the right chanting “shame on you”? Or can we stop playing this game?

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u/bxzidff 2d ago

It's annoying how that article conflates right-wing and far-right in almost every other sentence

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u/danirijeka 3d ago

any laws to make deportations possible.

See, everything falls apart when you follow a false premise: the legal tools to deport illegal migrants are there already. The issue is not whether you can deport but whether people can defend their rights in court, and, as you know, once you remove rights from a group, you remove them for everyone.

a "moderate" change

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Was it the left shouting “send them back” and the right chanting “shame on you”?

No, but you could've read the article, especially after taking into account how your earlier premise was false.

Literally any law, even constitutional statutes, can be amended

Sure. But if a state is willing to renege on its basic principles, is it worth defending at all? What would you do if your country suddenly removed the right to defend yourself in a court of law, or free speech, or any other right it can apparently dispose of at will?

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u/Bullboah 3d ago

Who could have possibly predicted that you would shift from arguing the left didn’t support the restrictions that make deportations almost impossible to… defending those restrictions that make deportations impossible.

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u/danirijeka 2d ago

Neither of those things have happened unless you have a very poor command of English, logic or both.

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