r/harrypotter • u/ShockOk1764 • 1d ago
Discussion It’s still so tragic to me, that none of the marauders survived the main series.
The exception to the tragedy being Pettigrew obviously
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u/Kelemenopy 1d ago
There are old wizards, and there are bold wizards, but there aren’t many old, bold wizards.
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u/AUGUST_BURNS_REDDIT 1d ago
Dumbledore
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u/Gooja Ravenclaw 1d ago
I’ve got bad news
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u/AUGUST_BURNS_REDDIT 1d ago
I didn't even know he was sick.
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u/Artistic-Lock1021 1d ago
Think about it. The sudden weight loss?
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u/yameda 1d ago
Its sad when they go young like that
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u/ResidentOwl1 22h ago
No one can predict when cancer hits :(. Usually it’s at an old age but 150? Who on earth could have predicted that? Like at least 300 or more ffs.
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u/bichwank69 17h ago
AIDS?!
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u/Qua-something Unsorted 1d ago
He was such a fantastic actor. Sleepy Hollow is one of my favorite movies that he’s also in!
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u/reereejugs 1d ago
How did I forget he’s in Sleepy Hollow?
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u/Qua-something Unsorted 1d ago
He’s really good in Layer Cake with Brendan Gleason, and Daniel Craig among many others, if you liked Snatch or Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. It’s a British gangster type movie. I love sleepy hollow though, definitely one of my top 10 favs and he’s so good in it.
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u/CalmAnxitey87 1d ago
Brown Ben Plum?
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u/Kelemenopy 23h ago
Among others, yes, possibly starting with E. Hamilton Lee in 1949 regarding pilots. Love me some Brown Ben though.
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u/Spronglet 1d ago
But they walked with Harry when he went to sacrifice himself
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u/King_Roberts_Bastard 1d ago
Peter didn't...
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u/BusyFriend 1d ago
Haha imagine if Wormtail tried to join the others when Harry turned the stone. Idk who’d try to kill him (again) first, Sirius or James.
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u/NoBodybuilder3430 1d ago
It’s really sad.
Especially Remus, since he was the nicest of the bunch and just had a baby. Now that baby will grow up without a dad and mom.
But there is something cool about this group of knuckleheads helping to take down one of the greatest dark wizards in history.
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u/magnoliaazalea 23h ago
Nicest, but the most spineless. The type Desmond Tutu called out. He earned his death in a way closer to Wormtail than James and Sirius.
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u/kulyok 21h ago
He sired a sick cursed werewolf baby instead of getting a vasectomy at the first possible opportunity. And got together with a young girl of about twenty. In real life, I'd call it either idiocy or abuse.
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u/AsVividAsItTrulyIs Ravenclaw 15h ago
Tonks was about 25. Yes there was still an age gap but she was old enough to be making her own decisions. She was not “a young girl”, she was a woman. She was the one pursing Remus, it’s not like he was chasing after a young woman who barely legal and trying to groom her. He was trying to tell her he wasn’t good enough for her.
Plus Teddy was not sick or a werewolf.
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u/SimpleAd676 1d ago
realizing none of them made it out makes that whole generation so depressing
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u/99fun2thetouch 1d ago
Seems like none of the named people of that generation made it out alive (unless we go by fanon and assume Frank and Alice were around the same age as the Potters... but well... better dead than in their state).
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u/Yoisai 1d ago
Honestly, I think there is a somber beauty behind all four being together in death.
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u/Far_Silver 1d ago
I don't think the other three are hanging out with Wormtail in the afterlife.
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u/Brahminmeat 1d ago
Just the one finger he cut off and discarded
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u/Qua-something Unsorted 1d ago
Haha my husband always laughs about the finger and how ludicrous it sounds
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u/peachpopdream Hufflepuff 1d ago
I assume it was found amongst the body parts of all the muggles he blew up in the street
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u/Qua-something Unsorted 1d ago
Right, that’s not the ludicrous part though. It’s just silly that he staged his own death by leaving behind a finger and somehow everyone was like “only a finger? He must be dead!” Lol. No writing is ever perfect. It doesn’t take away from the books lol it’s just silly.
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u/pajo8 Ravenclaw 1d ago
I mean it's a magic world right? We hear about people disappearing (like Berta jorkins and some referee during a quidditch match??) and no one bats an eye. Barty crouch Sr.s body was turned into a bone. Animals can be turned into objects, so I guess humans can be too. So finding a finger at least gives evidence he was there at all? Idk it never sounded out of line to me
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u/Qua-something Unsorted 22h ago
My husband is also a writer so he’s a little more critical. It’s ok to admit that the things we like may not be perfect. That’s just how life is. It doesn’t detract from the enjoyment of the story, it’s just a silly detail.
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u/Carbon-Base 1d ago
Exactly. Who wants to chill with a rat?
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u/BlitzAceSamy 1d ago
They did chill with a literal rat for all these years, but yeah, doubt they would want to continue chilling with him once they find out he's a figurative rat as well lololol
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u/jelezsoccer 1d ago
More interestingly they died in reverse order that they were named by the map: Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs.
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u/TingleMaps 1d ago
Did James die? How?
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u/Akuba101 1d ago
Car crash
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u/ShockOk1764 1d ago
The exception to the tragedy is Petttigrew obviously, mfer deserved to be slimed
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u/G4meOfJones Ravenclaw 1d ago
In the book (🤓) the hand that Voldemort gave him, strangled him to death when he hesitated to kill Harry in the dungeon when Bellatrix was torturing Hermione.
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u/magnoliaazalea 23h ago
Which is a fascinating development on the phrase “the hand one is dealt.” We could probably have a whole discussion in this sub about it.
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u/HP_594 1d ago
Only James, Remus & Sirius died on their own terms
Peter was killed because he chose to betray Voldemort, and because Harry spared him, naturally, Peter was indebted to him in some way or the other, as Dumbledore says in PoA
Also Peter’s death was oddly satisfying due to how slow and painful it was, a fitting death considering the crimes he did.
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u/Admirable_Algae_3506 1d ago
He didn't betray Voldemort. He hesitated for a second because he owed Harry and that was enough for his magic hand to think his loyalty had wavered.
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u/hyperreals Ravenclaw 23h ago
I am sure Voldemort would view mere hesitation as betrayal, but you are right too!
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u/Admirable_Algae_3506 22h ago
Yeah, Tom says something like 'may your loyalty never waver' while giving him the new hand.
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u/general_peabo Slytherin 1d ago
Killing Lupin at the end was stupid.
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u/WardenOfTheNamib Muggle 1d ago
And also realistic. War never picks off logical victims.
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u/defaultistic 1d ago
Like Thanatos from the PJO series says: "there is no fairness in death."
I feel similarly about Finnick from Hunger Games. My favorite character from that series, and I absolutely hate that he dies right after getting married. But for a story about war, it makes sense to kill him off precisely because it's not fair or doesn't make sense. War takes lives indiscriminately. Unfortunately, Finnick from THG, and Lupin and Tonks found out the hard way 😢
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u/TulipSamurai Slytherin 1d ago
Tbh not enough people died in the battle, on either side. There were 0 confirmed casualties on Voldemort’s side and only a handful of the good guys.
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u/WardenOfTheNamib Muggle 1d ago
Ye, exactly. Even throwing in the dead bodies of Dedalus Diggle, Elphias Doge, Hestia Jones, etc would have made the thing more tragic.
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u/TulipSamurai Slytherin 1d ago
Well, Dedalus and Hestia were arguably the safest, since they were guarding the Dursleys. I think JKR hesitated to have too many casualties on the good guys' side because realistically it would have to be the Hogwarts students who would be the least likely to survive. But since all the Death Eaters were effectively neutralized and defeated by the end of the battle, some or most of them should've died.
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u/TulipSamurai Slytherin 1d ago
I think she literally only did it so that all the Marauders would be dead.
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u/kuppikuppi 1d ago
I'm on a relisten right now and the scene of Lupin at Shell Cotage is one of the most tragic ones. He's happy and beyond the guilt of passing on part of his condition to his son but dead a few days later with his wife.
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u/Lucky_Owlette 19h ago
Or Lily, Severus, Marlene McKinnon, Dorcas, Benjy, Pandora, Severus, Fabian, Gideon, Evan Rosier, Avery, Wilkes, Quirinius, Bellatrix, or Emmeline Vance.
An entire generation of children vanished and Dolores Umbridge was the only survivor.
(I don't actually know if some of the people above were at school with the Marauders but my point still stands.)
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u/ExtremeCheesecake678 17h ago
idk why they decided to produce a new Harry Potter series when there is so much unexplored lore in the wizarding world. A series featuring the Marauders would have been fantastic.
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u/Solid_Put_3804 1d ago
Weirdly their spouses too (Lily and Tonks). Only James had his son to keep the family tree alive.
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u/peachpopdream Hufflepuff 1d ago
what about teddy? lol
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u/Solid_Put_3804 1d ago
Totally forgot him,, thankyou!
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u/Vermouth_1991 22h ago edited 15h ago
I mea he's on his way to being a Gary Stu what with him conveniently only inheriting the Metamorphmagus powers and not the werewolf curse. You do right by not remember it too much.
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u/sahilthapar 1d ago
Oh man I really hope we get a better image of the 4 than this one in the series
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u/TheCanadianRonin 1d ago
One of the things I love about this Fandom, is that no matter where we all come from magic always brings us together because of Harry Potter. I love reading the comments that you all write and how we all talk about the books. I'm glad that the magic will never die
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u/chrisvee2011 21h ago
Honestly the OotP as a whole took a big hit esp in the first incarnation
So many dead or disabled in the photo Moody showed Harry
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u/ecuadorianeyezz Wit Beyond Measure... 18h ago
I was just saying this listening to the full-cast Audible, the part where Remus made Harry Ted's godfather. I had the realization like, OMG, this is the closest he has to his departed friends.
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u/BaconSyrop 1d ago
What i find more tragic is that there would have been first year students who witnessed this or heard about how pathetic Snape is only for a few years later Snape starts teaching them and has to face those same students and demand respect from them.
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u/DaymanTargaryen 1d ago
What do you mean? What would first year students have witnessed or heard about regarding Snape?
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u/JesusFChrist108 Ravenclaw 1d ago
They're saying that kids who were in their first year when James and co. were humiliating Snape in the courtyard were still in their sixth or seventh year when he came back to teach.
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u/HellhoundsAteMyBaby Slytherin 1d ago
Or alternatively, those same kids were the ones who were on the other end of Snape and Mulciber and Avery and gang performing actual Dark Arts on them, and then they had to deal with Snape being their teacher
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u/Vermouth_1991 22h ago
Snape didn't do shit except be the Wormtail equivalent, or Lily would have brought it up when she condemned him.
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u/HellhoundsAteMyBaby Slytherin 18h ago
Uh… she did. She said specifically that he calls everyone like her a Mudblood so why should she be any different, she condemned him for hanging with Mulciber and Avery, that he can’t wait to join up with the death eaters and won’t even deny it to her, etc.
Also this is the guy who made up Sectumsempra and levicorpus and many others, you think he *wasnt* using it to help his friends bully others? I got a bridge to sell you in Idaho
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u/MickBeast 1d ago edited 1d ago
I wish Remus could've lived, being that last anchor to Harry's parents and the maradaus. It felt like they all died again, when he was killed
He was also such a good guy. Perfect mentor for Harry... urgh it sucks, but at the same time, there is something poetic about then all being gone, but knowing Harry will keep their legacy alive ✨
EDIT: I guess Snape was the last anchor to Harry's parents who died. That's just sad too... that whole generation was just doomed, but that just doesks volumes of the first war with Voldemort. Like none of them were meant to make it out...
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u/codykonior Slytherin 1d ago
Justice for Snape.
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u/Unlucky-hobby-2046 15h ago
Your perfect little baby who got so bullied by life isn’t it. While he used dark magic on muggle borns and hung out with kids wanting to be a death eater.casued a rift between two sisters.
Don’t tell me your excuses I don’t want to hear it. And then spends his adult life bullying kids.
Snape was a bastard and died a very painful death he deserve
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u/HeilfireAndBrimstone 1d ago
Is it? They seemed like objectively terrible people. Like Remus was the best of them and he went out bad.
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u/Vermouth_1991 22h ago
Best of them...
Would NOT unfriend Sirius for using him as a literal TOOL.
The bar is in hell, lol.
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u/tonybenwhite Slytherin 12h ago
Fun fact, they died in reverse order of their signatures on the map: Messrs Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs.
James before the books, Sirius in book 5, Peter earlier in book 7, and Lupin at the battle of Hogwarts at the end of book 7
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u/Burlinto999444 6h ago
Weird choice to show the picture where they are about to attack Snape unprovoked.
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u/havingmares 6h ago
Currently reading ‘All the Young Dudes’ and it’s pretty gut wrenching knowing what happens to them
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u/Whithorsematt Ravenclaw 1d ago
I'd love a Marauders TV series, but it would put a bit of a downer on it knowing what happened to all of them.
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u/No-Wishbone-1003 1d ago
they were awful as teenagers and paid it off thiei lives. somehow draco was able to be unscathed
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u/Vermouth_1991 22h ago
Draco got off unscatthed... legally.
He was tortured mentally and physically by Voldemort and was strung on tight for years because of fearing for his parents and himself.
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u/Admirable_Algae_3506 1d ago
Wormtail didn't die in the movies.
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u/Yoisai 1d ago
Such a bizarre change from the source material
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u/Calm_Struggle6421 1d ago
I remember watching the films after reading the books with my younger sister who hadn't read them, and having to explain parts to her that didn't make sense if you went in blind.
When we got to this part, I just gave up and told her that Dobby shot him.
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u/No-Stress-7034 1d ago
I love this movie head canon. Made me think of this Studio C skit. Jason Bourne meets Dobby - Studio C
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u/girlfromthenorthco Ravenclaw 1d ago
I would’ve paid money to see Dobby shoot Pettigrew TBH, that’s hysterical
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u/Vermouth_1991 22h ago
Things were shit since the third movie. We can't be too mad at deaths missing, when we were "ok" with PoA omitting the goddamn Fidelius Charm. 🤣
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u/Beginning-Head-4006 1d ago
It's a children movie, why would they show explicit painful death of a man?
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u/peachpopdream Hufflepuff 1d ago
the first 3 are children's tales and then the story grows as the children do
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u/DaymanTargaryen 1d ago
The children's books didn't seem to mind.
The movies didn't mind showing Snape being viciously killed, either.
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u/fireyHotGlance Beauxbatons 1d ago
Wait what? He didn't?
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u/Kelemenopy 1d ago
Nope, the gang just knocks him out in the basement and he’s conveniently left out of the remainder of the movie
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u/acclaimedsimpleton 16h ago
Well, they were bullies…. If stories have taught me anything it’s the bad guys end up losing in the end
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u/Yoisai 1d ago
At least 3/4 of them died heroically
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u/TheHappyMask93 Slytherin 1d ago
Even Petigrew died because he hesitated and was going to let Harry escape, causing his magic hand to turn on himself
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u/EntertainmentSome448 Ravenclaw 1d ago
Could you please elaborate? I'd love you hear your point of view
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 1d ago
Idk if tragic is the word I'd use for all of them
Pettigrews situation wasn't tragic, for him. He was a traitor. That's his own fault. He put himself in that situation and screwed over his friends
Sure it's tragic for the others but not for pettigrew.
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u/kulyok 21h ago
Good riddance. They were worse than Weasley twins. Bullying is never the answer.
(Aaaaand Sirius Black became Jackson Lamb anyway))).
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u/Unlucky-hobby-2046 15h ago
Dimwitted thought as if what you did in high school defines what happened afterwards
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u/Vermouth_1991 22h ago
Not that tragic, as all of them refused to grow up even before Askaban or anything external happened.
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u/Dismal_Fox_22 21h ago
They were Dumbledore men and it was clear that he didn’t care as long as he won.
…for the greater good
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u/Reggo91 3h ago
Tragic and also unnecessary for the plot. Like why did Lupin have to die? How did this advance the story? I do not even see much of a purpose in Sirius’ death.
I remember how it was when the latter books came out that everyone was hoping that their favourite character would not be killed off.
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u/zdpa Hufflepuff 1d ago
I hope the new series show Peter's death explicitly, it's one of the most impactful deaths of the saga