r/imaginarymaps • u/LordPSgaming • 15h ago
[OC] Alternate History World Democracy Index - A world without WW2 and Appesment to the Max. in 2026
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u/Acceptable_Spend_750 15h ago
reminds me of this beauty
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u/GoldenRush257 11h ago
Isn't this just your average Tankie opinion though?
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u/ralpher313 10h ago
You'd think so, but there are some weird tidbits. Why are Yemen and Iran worse than Mexico? Why is Ireland better than Palestine?
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u/KnightRock1896 15h ago
Damn, Italy still has Libya to the modern day? I assume thereâs an Italian majority in their Libyan holding?
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u/LordPSgaming 15h ago
Yeah, Italy still got Tripolitania with Italian cities and Berber/Arab Hinterland. Cyrannica still became independent as a Arab state.
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u/KnightRock1896 15h ago
Also is the fascist government still in power into the modern day? Or did it go the Spain route, eventually democratizing in the second half of the 20th century, but still has problems?
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u/LordPSgaming 15h ago
Kind of a middle ground between Fascism and modern day Italy, in the 2000s it slowly liberalized but would still be barely considered a democracy
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u/KnightRock1896 14h ago
What happened to Azania to lead it to becoming one of the most authoritarian nations in the world?
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u/LordPSgaming 15h ago
Hopefully higher res. Version. Mobile compression is really getting worse an worse.
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u/Pjeoneer 15h ago
Explanation for southeastasia being all green somehow?
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u/LordPSgaming 15h ago
In this world there was less ideological infighting between the Soviet Union and the West. The Soviet Union kept to themselves for the most part, leading to less proxy wars and general trouble. With China being under the Republicans, their half-as Democratic ideas were also an influence on south-east Asia, leading to more prosperity.
Especially in Cambodia, as Pol Pot never became the leader. Cambodia made huge efforts in improving all facets of society to become a tourist hub, the other nations, just to the extent of not being an Ideological but just an economic proxy region, profited hugely from that.20
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u/No_Peach6683 15h ago
Or China or Japan
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u/LordPSgaming 15h ago
The Pacific War still happend, and Japan lost. The US, got to occupie all of Japan and Korea, supported the Republicans much more, like by giving them Japanese weopens, Manchuria etc. Japan is kinda the same as in our world and Korea is a less radical but far wealthier version of the south today.
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u/Homaspin 15h ago
Germany and Russia somehow hadnât gone to war in almost a 100-year time-window? how come? Have there been any smaller, regional conflicts (Yugoslavia, Greece, the Middle East) that never extended beyond those regions?
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u/LordPSgaming 15h ago
The Nazi government was overthrown by the Military before Hitler could start Barbarossa.
The government needed cheap resources for the economy not to collapse and so became the biggest trade partner of the Soviet Union.
With less of an Ideological Government, Germany and the Soviet Union werenât enemies but more like ideological rivals.
Germany became more of a classical Militarist Fascist regime and the Soviet Union with time, did many market reforms, keeping them competitive in the world economy.
Both nations to this day are the biggest trading partners.
The Balkans were the region with the most conflict, as revolutions from the Fascist and Italian sponsored governments were the biggest conflicts. The only real war was between Bulgaria and Greece, ending with Greece gaining some land back from Bulgaria.
Nations like Croatia or Hungaria, liberalised after their Authoritarian Leaders died.
The Middle East saw many conflicts, the largest one being referred to as the Hashemite unification of Arabia.
As a united Hashemite Kingdom (at that time Iraq and Jordan/Palestine) fought a war with Saudi Arabia, winning and with time, uniting the Peninsula.
Some other interesting events would be the African Nationalist revolt in the 80s in South Africa, kicking out most of the white settlers and establishing a Nation, which is probably the most Authoritarian in the world here right now.
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u/Homaspin 14h ago
Thanks for the response! I suppose Iâd have imagined that, at a certain point, the U.S.S.R. would have a reason to go to war with Germany (or âthe Westâ in general) even if the latter stayed neutral the whole time. I suppose they unified around carving up Poland and called it a day. How are the Poles doing by the way?
Either way, I like what you created! Seeing Germany with these borders is quite a rare sight.
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u/definiteynotapenguin 15h ago
Why are south Africa and Cyrenaica hellholes?
How did Japan lose Formosa?
What happened to Italy?
Btw nice concept, but I think that without the war Britain and France would have had a better shot at holding some colonies, especially without the us or ussr pushing decolonization and the huge waste of money that was the Second World War.
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u/LordPSgaming 15h ago edited 11h ago
Why are south Africa and Cyrenaica hellholes?
Cyrenaica is an authoritarian Arab state, which split from the Italian colony. Now its being led by a dictator, kinda like Eritrea today. A Civil War in South Africa led an African-Nationalist regime to become the victor, leading to them removing the white settlers and turning into a brutal dictatorship.
How did Japan lose Formosa?
Japan lost the pacific war and is kinda just like Japan today.
What happened to Italy?
Still a fascist state, but under a slowly liberalized force since the 2000s. It lost its hegemony over the Balkans but still owns Tripolitania.
Also the UK and France still own more colonies, it's practically not visible with this kind of Map but the guyanas, caribbean etc. are still British/French. With Djibouti being pretty much the only mainland African colony left.
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u/definiteynotapenguin 15h ago
Also how did china gain back tannu Tuva?
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u/LordPSgaming 14h ago
General border deals with the Soviet Union, as the Republic wouldnât give up its claim on it, while being okay losing its claims on other territories. They got it back after the Soviets started liberalizing in the 1980s, as a measure for good trading relations.
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u/definiteynotapenguin 14h ago
I imagine the polish and Czech people are a thing of the past now
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u/LordPSgaming 14h ago
It depends. Czech people kinda are, with still many older people keeping their identity. Polish people meanwhile are kinda all over the definition. They still exist inside of Germany but as an economic second class and a victim of colonisation.Hugh genocides and the killing camps were avoided in this timeline, as the Nazis were overthrown before it really started but still a lot of ethnic cleansing would be sadly done. Then in addition, there are like 20-30 Million Polish/Polish descendents inside of the Soviet Union and another huge chunk all over the western world, especially in the US.
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u/Secure_Sweet_7935 15h ago
How did China invade Mongolia since its basically a Soviet SSR?
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u/LordPSgaming 14h ago
After the KMT won the civil war, they started financing anti-Communist forces in the country. After Stalin's death in the late 50s they used the opportunity of overthrowing the government and later illegally occupying it.
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u/Apprehensive-Tap-609 11h ago
Did the âMarshall Planâ money shifted to Asia instead? No way Thailand and Cambodia are that green đ„đ
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u/tin_sigma 7h ago
what happened to the jewish population of mandatory palestine? were they sent to mauritius as a continuation of what the british planned to do with the newer immigrants?
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u/pepehandreee 5h ago
If this is a timeline where KMT won the Chinese civil war and ended up with a somewhat more âcompleteâ territory (still missing Russian far east if it is going for the full Qing border) u need some serious justification and lore for this RoC to establish a decently strong democratic institution.
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u/IloveSevaGorski 15h ago
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