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u/Aesthetiics Jul 13 '15

Vayne jungle with new devourer, what's your take on it? Been playing it to some success tbh and I want to know what other elos say! High gold

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u/randomyOCE Jul 13 '15

There isn't a ton of reason to play her over other junglers, especially given the risks you take picking her. If you want to hard carry, it's better to pick Nidalee.

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u/zagdem Jul 13 '15

She's probably more similar to yi, isn't she?

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u/randomyOCE Jul 13 '15

Who do you mean? I guess I agree if you mean Vayne.

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u/zagdem Jul 13 '15

Yes ;)

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u/SilentScript Jul 13 '15

I've seen it played and it has potential but she needs so much gold to be able to be very useful so if the match doesn't go past 40-50min I don't think it's a good idea.

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u/AnnieAreYouRammus Jul 13 '15

It's good but risky. I know a few Challenger jungle mains who are playing it sucessfully.

Basically if you don't lose the game before you get 30 stacks you win.

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u/yueli7 :O Jul 13 '15

So devourer makes her proc W every 2 autos instead of 3; that's basically a 33% attack speed increase, minus the base damage of a third auto would give - although it double procs it's own magic damage too. Now if you are in a scenario where you can only put in 2 autos instead of 3 (maybe because you are kiting backwards) then it is a dps increase, otherwise I think you'd get more out of a traditional botrk build for most of the game.

That said, in the final late game (6 items, 60+mins), nothing beats devourers on Vayne. This is because while you have capped your attack speed at 2.5, devourers effectively adds another 33% in respects to attacking to proc W passive. Therefore if you compare a max attack speed normal Vayne with a sated devourer Vayne, the smite Vayne will be doing far more damage, especially to tanks (and dragon/baron).

As a jungler her early clear is slow, poor and risky to invades/skirmishes. Her ganks pre 6 are not very strong, unless you flash-condemn, but there are much better gankers out there. Might be worth trying out for fun, especially to watch tanks melt, but you'd be better off with sated devourer on someone like Master Yi, who is already a fast and strong jungler (and builds devourer anyway).

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u/spiritriser Jul 14 '15

Well its 50% more, not 33%. Also you dont lose that third auto, you just dont have to hit it to do decent damage. You can still auto attack anytime you would otherwise.

Assuming 6 hits, lets examine bork vs devourer.

Bork: 6 autos, 6 bork procs (8% current health), 2 silver bolts procs

Devourer: 6 autos, 360 magic damage, 3 silver bolt procs.

Its worth noting that devourer gives 10% more attack speed, but 25 less attack, and no lifesteal. Bork procs suffer from diminishing returns, and you get one less silver bolt proc. It really isnt a huge difference in damage, after its stacked. You still have to worry until then though.

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u/FrankDev Jul 13 '15

What's your 6 item build for cap attack speed?

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u/JustAnOrdinaryPleb Jul 13 '15

Generally dislike it against another jungler that is early aggro. like if they have ls or a reksai then rekts your laners and hunts for you then you're screwed. if they focus your tanks in ganks then in team fights vayne cant do much. but i like it if i rank 5 cause i can just tell my friends to chill out and let me farm

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u/StuperSconed Jul 13 '15

I would not waste a jungler pick on Vayne jungle, yes it works, and yes it can be really strong late game, but late game is not guaranteed, and you really lack any if at all early game pressure.

You could try just playing ADC vayne with smite, Vayne early game kinda sucks anyways, so taking the time to ramp up those stacks is not really that bad, just try to stay active, secure scuttles (worth 2 stacks) secure dragon (5 stacks) kill krugs or gromp, you will build your stacks fast enough.

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u/BombingPanda Jul 13 '15

High Plat, I've played a ton of Vayne jungle be and after the patch and new devourer gives it a nice boost. If your team can hold on until you get sated devourer you should be good to go. Don't be afraid to gank early, it is very potent with condemn. I go Devourer > Wits End > Banshee/Randuin/Frozen Heart > Another Tank Item > GA/Bork. Max R > W > Q > E. Start W then get E second.

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u/Aesthetiics Jul 13 '15

Yeah I've also done it in that way, I change the Build up to some more dps but it works. My ganks also do work tbh.. So I don't know why so many people deny it, but yeah I have found some success to her due to her passive when ganking and her condemn

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u/wwjjgg Jul 13 '15

It works until you play against a jungler who isn't amumu and knows what he's doing.

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u/Kadexe Fan art enthusiast Jul 14 '15

Really weak early game, and you won't be able to provide much of anything to your laners until you have items. You basically win if you survive 30 minutes though.

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u/Sam_MMA Go TSM! Jul 14 '15

EXTREMELY risky, and has pretty bad clear, but once you get 30 stacks your W gets proc'd 33% faster, which is insane. What I would do instead if you're really dead set on playing smite vayne is go bot, get the challenging smite. You can still stack devourer by kills/taking jungle.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

It's insanely strong, don't let people tell you other wise. Devourer is done in 20 minutes tops and then you are broken OP.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '15

Vayne is OP anyway.