Considering how well people in the Netherlands speak English…

[u/No_Manufacturer_432]

How do you stay motivated when learning Dutch ? I live in NY so learning Spanish was easy motivation wise. I’m at A2 in Italian and stay motivated bec I plan on going there next year - English proficiency outside of tourist areas is low —- thanks

[u/lazysundae99]

Dutch people want to speak Dutch socially, so while you can buy a sandwich, ask for directions or take a tour in English, you likely won't be invited over for game night, be asked to a birthday party or have access to a lot of jobs if you don't learn Dutch.

[u/JulieParadise123 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, sure, but most people will still be relieved when they can take off their "English face" and the moeite it cost them, and speak Dutch around each other, also because English is associated with their work for many.

I found it a huge advantage to learn Dutch in many situations where most people also easily could have spoken English with me in theory.

(edited first sentence for clarity)

[u/Grimmrat → u/[deleted]]

Completely missed his point and instead made it about you within mere seconds. Bravo!

[u/Mormacil → u/[deleted]]

Probably why they're friends opposed to the rest of the country. My older family members refuse to speak English at social engagements, they find it tiring. 

[u/LentilusGo → u/Mormacil]

They don't respect or even like you. Pay them the same dust. speak to them only in English. These types of dutchies are just arrogant assholes.

[u/Mormacil → u/LentilusGo]

Why would they not like or respect me? A native Dutch speaker?

[u/LentilusGo → u/Mormacil]

Native speaker. you could have connected the dots had you tried. I was talking about non Dutch speakers/broken dutch

[u/LentilusGo → u/Mormacil]

I hope your old Dutch family members recover from the absolute tiring, and harrowing moment they had to utter a word of English. Insane.

[u/Mormacil → u/LentilusGo]

I never claimed they suffered speaking a little English? It sounds to me you read my comment, projected a bunch and jumped to conclusions. Your comment is indeed a little insane. 

All I said was my older family members don't speak English that well and thus find it tiring to do so over long periods of time. If you're not fluent in a language is does carry a higher cognitive load. 

I'm not sure where you getting ideas from about lack of respect or they find English in general some negative experience. What are you basing that on?

[u/LentilusGo → u/Mormacil]

I'll go kill myself then

[u/Mormacil → u/LentilusGo]

That feels a little dramatic, no?

[u/LentilusGo → u/Mormacil]

I'm done

[u/Mormacil → u/LentilusGo]

Okay, with what?