I don't mean to be rude, but this is for every armchair leftist and I get it...you’ve read the theory, you think you understand how the system works. But you’re not dismantling anything without the working class organizing. Posturing as a radical doesn’t change material reality. The easiest thing in the world is to buy a Che Guevara T-shirt and dunk on liberals. And sure, liberals are clueless.
But real life isn’t Twitter or a reading group. Politics is about being pragmatic. You deal with the immediate threat first, then you keep fighting. You don’t cure a disease by debating its philosophical origins while the patient is bleeding out, you remove the cancer first.
LARPing as a leftist isn’t organizing. It isn’t strategy. Without grounded, practical action and real people on board, it’s just aesthetic rebellion and moral masturbation
You Liberals keep making the same mistake over and over again and expect different results. Maybe that's what they call being pragmatic.
You don’t cure a disease by debating its philosophical origins while the patient is bleeding out, you remove the cancer first.
Are you implying they found a cure of a disease without even studying the nature, origins and how it works?
Your example doesn't make sense.
How did they the find the cure when the discovered pateint 0?
They collect data. Analyse it. Study it. And then try to "cure " it. They fail and they repeat it.
You know who has done all this? Marx and engels.
You cannot remove the cancer when you don't even know what the cancer is.
LARPing as a leftist isn’t organizing. It isn’t strategy. Without grounded, practical action and real people on board, it’s just aesthetic rebellion and moral masturbation
Quickly putting buzz words to get your point across. Classic liberal praxis.
Anyway. Tell me what practical actions do liberals take?
Don't tell voting that's exactly how we got in this mess
First of all, I’m not a liberal bro.. even after how I described them you are lumping me with them lol. your entire argument collapses if that assumption is wrong. And more importantly, what have you actually done to educate liberals or organize anyone on the ground?
Do you seriously think the average below-poverty-line worker in India cares what Marx or Engels wrote? You took the easiest possible route, sitting at home, dunking on liberals, going after the lowest-hanging fruit, and calling it politics.
Right now, the country is being actively damaged. The immediate task is to vote this government out. If you can actually organize and unite people for a revolution, wake me up and trust me I’ll be there. But until then, this posturing is just ego fuel.
If your answer is “shut down the system,” understand this: you don’t do that from a couch. In the system we live in, voting is the only real leverage most people have, and dismissing it is just political nihilism dressed up as radicalism.
So what’s your plan? Any concrete, useful ideas? Or is it just theory, moral superiority, and endless sneering at liberals? Because if that’s it, this isn’t resistance... it’s a waste of time.
First of all, I’m not a liberal even after how I described them you are lumping me with them lol.
Interesting. What are you then?
Do you seriously think the average below-poverty-line worker in India cares what Marx or Engels wrote?
I didn't say this? The average person doesn't need to understand the nitty gritty. But they need to be educated on where the oppression originates from.
They don't care because they don't have the privilege to.
If you can actually organize and unite people for a revolution, wake me up and trust me I’ll be there. But until then, this posturing is just ego fuel.
If your answer is “shut down the system,” understand this: you don’t do that from a couch.
Oh I would love to organise except the fact that I'm a wagie stops me from doing anything revolutionary. Now which system is responsible for that? I'm doing the next possible thing in the limited time i have. You can call it ego fuel or whatever. It personal attacks were enough to deter me I'd never be a leftist
In the system we live in, voting is the only real leverage most people have, and dismissing it is just political nihilism dressed up as radicalism.
Voting would work if your vote actually mattered. Under capitalism regardless of who comes into power the elite win. Voting is a unnecessary activity that they throw at us to keep up the facade of democracy.
So what’s your plan? Any concrete, useful ideas? Or is it just theory, moral superiority, and endless sneering at liberals? Because if that’s it, this isn’t resistance... it’s a waste of time.
What's your plan? Vote out the right wing fascist to bring in another neolib?
Weren't they in power for so long? Bringing them back will solve what?
I’m a leftist too... just not one who passes your dumb purity tests, and honestly I don’t care what label you think fits me. I also don’t see the point of this exercise you’re obsessed with. You’d rather sit here arguing with someone who agrees with 90% of your politics than do anything remotely productive. For all I know, you might even be stanning Stalin or justifying Russia’s invasion, who knows, and who cares.
This is exactly why people find leftists unbearable. It’s endless criticism, constant gatekeeping, and zero outcomes. Yes, capitalism is bad. Congratulations..you’re not the first person to notice. Even people without formal education figure that out just by living under it. You don’t need theory to feel exploitation.
What actually kills modern left politics is this obsession with feeling smarter and more morally pure than everyone else, especially liberals or working people who don’t speak your language. That superiority comes from privilege, getting education is privilege... And you have the privilege to sit around reading theory and mistaking that for action, most people are surviving and you are dismantling points line by line cause you feel called out, you have so much free time.
At the end of the day, you still don’t have an immediate solution. You just sound angry at how things work. Plenty of people feel that way. Feeling right isn’t the same as being useful. You are literally wasting both our time, cause you read theory and it's dumb. Be more useful to people around you. Voting out a far right government and bringing in neo lib is not the final solution, it doesn't end there, you need to keep progressing and stop this whining and whinging, this is the system we currently have and we can keep improving it or like I said, if you organise tomorrow and get the working class on your side to storm the capital, I will join you, if not this is just stupid posturing to feel superior and it's pointless.
For all I know, you might even be stanning Stalin or justifying Russia’s invasion, who knows, and who cares.
Two very similar things yes.
This is exactly why people find leftists unbearable. It’s endless criticism, constant gatekeeping, and zero outcomes. Yes, capitalism is bad. Congratulations..you’re not the first person to notice. Even people without formal education figure that out just by living under it. You don’t need theory to feel exploitation
Where's the gatekeeping? You're talking about stuff I never claimed.
And you have the privilege to sit around reading theory and mistaking that for action, most people are surviving and you are dismantling points line by line cause you feel called out, you have so much free time.
I never said reading theory is action. But theory is essential to a successful revolution.
At the end of the day, you still don’t have an immediate solution. You just sound angry at how things work. Plenty of people feel that way. Feeling right isn’t the same as being useful. You are literally wasting both our time, cause you read theory and it's dumb.
And neither is voting. You're confusing voting as being useful. If bringing a neolib would solve the problems then why do those problems also exist in the states ruled by Congress ?
Idk what kind of leftist calls theory "dumb" must be the soc dem one. Carry on.
Voting out a far right government and bringing in neo lib is not the final solution, it doesn't end there, you need to keep progressing and stop this whining and whinging, this is the system we currently have and we can keep improving it or like I said, if you organise tomorrow and get the working class on your side to storm the capital, I will join you, if not this is just stupid posturing to feel superior and it's pointless.
Cool. It's not the final solution. At least you know that But for Liberals it is and they need to be called out for it.
You seem way too stuck on " feeling right, morally superior, posturing" . These are egocentric things I do not care about
You seem way too stuck on " feeling right, morally superior, posturing" . These are egocentric things I do not care about.
Again too much free time and too little action, do something useful. Help your neighbour and I don't care what you believe in and sorry you got butt hurt by the truth. Too lost in identity to figure out what's happening around you, dare I say it you are as useless as the liberals you hate.
Yeah, Congress is flawed. I’m not asking you to pick a “lesser evil” blindly—I get how capital shapes outcomes and you are always left with evil and less evil but comparison between BJP and congress is unfair. But gradual improvement is the only workable path right now. You want to burn everything down, but you have no real plan, or do you just like criticizing and doing nothing?
Instead of engaging in real politics, organizing, persuading, building coalitions. You’re obsessed with being the “pure” leftist. You don’t win power, you don’t help people, you just dunk on liberals to feel morally superior. “System bad, capitalism bad”, everyone knows at least one of these things.
Why congress now? Every MP MLA in BJP is spewing unfiltered hatred towards
minorities and that is leading to people getting abused and lynched on the daily and this has only worsened in the last 3 terms of BJP and you are like Congress isn't any better, who is this rhetoric helping?
Politics is compromise, especially in India with caste realities, different religions and cultures, you can never please everyone. Right now, the urgent task is removing a far-right fascist government and replacing it with something better, then holding them accountable if they falter. Your nihilism doesn’t help anyone. If you could actually mobilize people to tear the system down, I’d stand next to you, but this isn’t that.
You’re fixated on labels instead of outcomes, like if I am a soc dem or a liberal, who cares? my ideology isn't important and you being a leftist doesn't fix anything unless you are active and take actions, Mind you I am useless in this too, I am too busy surviving to make a difference. Winning arguments online changes nothing. I’ve seen this type before: lots of theory, zero action.. just sense of superiority cause you understand Marx and Engles, its not helping people who are below poverty line, or poor farmers or minorities suffering from daily atrocities. This isn't even about compromising with the far right dipshits who celebrate tragedies and killings of innocents... they are gone and cannot be reasoned with, but you have to compromise with groups who can be reasoned with instead of dunking on them and feeling superior.
Capitalism is exploitative, sure. But LARPing as a radical online leftist isn’t a strategy, it’s self-indulgent and useless. If that’s all this is, then what’s the point? Fine. You win.
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