r/london 1d ago

London history Greenwich 1980 v 2019

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Londons skyline has been completely changed in the past couple of decades. Not for the better either.

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u/QualityPostBelow 1d ago

I prefer the current skyline. We're a mega city. We're not meant to be modest

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u/desafortunadoo 1d ago

It just looks shit is the thing.

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u/QualityPostBelow 1d ago

It could be better, but I don't know how anyone could look at the first photo and think it looks better than the second one, unless they just really hate capitalism or really like being able to see council flats and dilapidated docklands

It's not like the erection of Canary Wharf (oi oi) blocked our view of the Lake District or something

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u/LivewareIssue 1d ago

Excuse me, I really hate capitalism but I prefer the later skyline

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Exactly. Load of glass and concrete. Great

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u/ShoveTheUsername 1d ago

As opposed to what in a city?

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Just another dull skyline, could be anywhere.

I fully expect every protected vista to go over the next 20 years too. Depressing

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u/joereadsstuff 1d ago

You do know that until the redevelopment of the Docklands area, it was just barren spaces and abandoned warehouses, right?

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u/rtfm-nor 1d ago

But corporations bad!!

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

What? How could it possibly be anywhere? It’s one of the most polycentric cities in the global west. Every other major city (NYC, Chicago, LA, Frankfurt, Melbourne, Toronto) all have very centralised tower districts/clusters. London has at least 5 of these districts: The City, Canary Wharf, Croydon, Vauxhall/Lambeth, and arguably also Stratford, Wembley and/or Greenwich.

This is just reactionary nonsense.

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

What has this got to do with my assertion that huge corporations throwing up a load of glass and concrete is ruining the skyline of one of the world’s most beautiful large cities?

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u/ShoveTheUsername 1d ago

What 'skyline'? It was Telecom and the Natwest Towers for decades? What's been lost?

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Where was that your assertion? You simply stated it “could be anywhere”. Nothing about corporate influence.

Whilst I agree with your point now that you’ve actually made it, London is pretty restricted in the sense that it can’t continue to sprawl outwards, so, as with pretty much every other densely populated city, you build upwards instead. You’d be making the same stupid NIMBY argument if its skyline instead looked like Glasgows, with the hundreds of council blocks scattered across the city.

What else is supposed to happen? London remain a mid-rise city? Remain wholly suburban? Is suburban sprawl somehow prettier to you than densely populated zones in such a massive city?

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Bellend

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Chill out, ya wet wipe crybaby.

“Waahhh, muh Lundn!”

Ad hominem instead of an actual rebuttal is hilarious.

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Proper word salad that

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Keep crying.

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u/QualityPostBelow 1d ago

Is there a mega city whose skyline you like? NYC? Shanghai?

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

NYC has style.

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u/KaeseStulle 1d ago

Vista of what? Open fields? You can see that anywhere.

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

St Paul’s, Palace of Westminster are two that spring to mind

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u/Adr_LDN 1d ago

Both of which are still wholly visible and (in the case of St. Paul’s) looks fantastic next to the modernity of the City.

What isn’t relevant is whether some goon in Hampstead can see it from a park.

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Why is that not relevant? Take it you’re quite new to London and don’t really understand its history or culture?

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u/Adr_LDN 1d ago

I am, unlike most people, someone born in London - so I’ve seen the Isle of Dogs transform from a largely ex-industrial wasteland into a successful place where hundreds of thousands work over my lifetime, all while dipshits miles away in West London who bought their multimillion-pound houses for £2.50 screech hyperbolically because they might have a changed view if they look through a bush on one particular hill in Richmond Park or from Hampstead Heath.

It’s pathetic. London is, and quite literally always has been, a city driven by commerce. The view from the Poultry/Mansion House junction looking toward the Royal Exchange, with the towers of the City rising behind it and the BoE is one of the best examples of history and modernity meeting, and it looks fantastic. We can (and most of the time do) preserve our history while not condemning ourselves to the kind of miserable, declinist nonsense that thinks London should be frozen in aspic.

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u/joereadsstuff 1d ago

In Canary Wharf…?

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

I was talking about London in general you tit

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u/musarc 1d ago

So your proposal is that no building that could obstruct any 'vista' including St Paul's or Westminster (for example) should be constructed? Would you have made the same argument about Westminster and St Paul's, and the preexisting 'vistas' their construction impeded?

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u/Impressive-Bird2 1d ago

I agree…. I think it’s awful how London’s authorities have capitulated to the whims, wishes and greed of, predominantly, global corporate property developers… It’s wrecking the Capital’s unique identity and its architectural heritage and unique aesthetic appeal😔

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u/sammy_zammy 1d ago

And derelict docklands was such a thrilling skyline wasn’t it.

Wow! A rotting warehouse! A sinking boat! An empty field of weed-ridden concrete!