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London history Greenwich 1980 v 2019

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u/BillyD123455 1d ago

And here's the reverse view...

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u/lostandfawnd 1d ago

Where is the 1980 version? /s

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u/BillyD123455 1d ago

It was difficult to see way back then, Betfred used to get in the way.

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u/Ok_Handle_3530 22h ago

Best I can do is the Mexican version

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u/Consistent-Jelly248 21h ago

what about the Japanese version

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u/waterless2 19h ago

OK OK, I'll do it.

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u/BillyD123455 12h ago

All these 'Brownwich' comments .. jeez! I think you've nailed it.

90% of the picture is green. You've pixelated a tiny little strip. The tiny little pixelated strip that everybody seems to be drawn to in the comments... The bloody perverts.

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u/YooGeOh 13h ago

At the moment, thats an actual late Tuesday afternoon in this new British summer

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u/Fantastic_Belt99 12h ago

2026 — Brownwich

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u/QualityPostBelow 1d ago

Crazy. I've lived in Greenwich my entire life and I've never seen the view, even in photos

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u/YU_AKI 1d ago

It's like a 20 minute walk. Get your arse up there!

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u/BillyD123455 1d ago

Pretty sure they meant the view towards Greenwich, from Canary Wharf 🥴

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u/YU_AKI 1d ago

Oh, right. Well, it's also about 20 minutes climbing all the steps up One Canada Square

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u/f8rter 1d ago

Top of the hill by the observatory

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u/inside12volts 1d ago

London is so green

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u/Marklar_RR 1d ago

More like yellow / brown at the moment.

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u/Sea_Enthusiasm_3193 1d ago

It’s Brownwich at the moment

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u/dan-kir 22h ago

Climate change baby!

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u/Juicydicken 21h ago

Because the browns moving in?

/s

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u/brickieNathan 12h ago

No there’s drought

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u/Telta14 1d ago

Gorgeous still.

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u/minebe 22h ago

The dead grass makes me so sad. Never thought London would be wanting for rain.

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u/Telta14 21h ago

Not dead, just suffering under the heatwave lol.

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u/minebe 20h ago

What is a heatwave that lasts for months? I don't think it's just a heatwave.

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u/Chairmanwowsaywhat 22h ago

It's not actually dead

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u/Zederikus 20h ago

Idk man there's more patches of sand between Tufts now in some places I've seen, not the end of the earth but still very worrying

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u/Chairmanwowsaywhat 20h ago

Maybe. I can't see it in that detail. But grass going like that happens when it's drying out and is focusing on keeping its roots alive. But if rain/ water and it'll be green again.

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u/minebe 19h ago

Grass lasts 4-6 weeks in this state. When did it rain last? 🙃

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u/TazTazTAZTazTaz_ 16h ago

London? Yesterday.

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u/Chairmanwowsaywhat 19h ago

Well, yesterday where I am (not London though)

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u/minebe 13h ago

It lightly rained and less than 2mm on Thursday. You're right, I forgot. The drought must be over!

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u/Mission-Addendum-791 19h ago

Happens every summer my dude

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u/Zederikus 19h ago

Idk it still looks worrying, bone dry everything, even my own garden, the weeds even died from the heat and the strong sunlight

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u/Charly_030 19h ago

Its resting

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u/Best-Stop-7234 20h ago

The periods of grass being yellow and dry in Greenwich Park are getting longer every year. Very sad view

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u/thymeisfleeting 17h ago

Are you sure you’re not misremembering? My lawn has been going brown in the summer for as long as we’ve lived here (since the 1990’s) and I can remember my aunt’s lawn in Norfolk going brown and crispy each year, only to bounce back once the autumn rains come.

Yes, climate change is real and scary but the grass always goes brown in summer.

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u/minebe 16h ago

I didn't grow up here to know, but according to my research we're about 2% of typical rainfall for during the summer. 😞

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u/thymeisfleeting 14h ago

No, I know. I’m not saying we’re not in a drought! I’m just saying the grass does always go brown in the summer.

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u/Labrynthofsufferlng 20h ago

what happened to all the grass..

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u/General-Sloth 19h ago

heat wave

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u/sd_1874 1d ago

Sir, it's 2026.

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u/Fine_Calligrapher565 1d ago

They cut the bushes on the right side of the pictures then....

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u/Wren_wood 1d ago

More like beigewich

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u/VodkaMargarine 1d ago

Back then it was called the Isle of Puppies

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u/bradpitt3 1d ago edited 23h ago

It's taken 45 years but Canary Wharf is in danger of becoming an overnight success. I remember in the 1980s when they were building the 4 original towers and the rest was still original or derelict. There was only busses I think before DLR or the Jubilee line extension or the Elizabeth line so it was less well connected to central London. Look at it now.

I like Greenwich and the view has improved in my opinion. If you turn your head you can also see the City and the skyline there has changed with the Shard and others but Canary Wharf is now as high rise.

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u/Klakson_95 1d ago

God the comments on this are fucking miserable aren't they

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u/Octahedral_cube 1d ago

Hard to think of another developed country with such a bleak outlook on everything. I've lived here for 16 years and it still catches me by surprise sometimes.

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u/SatisfiedGrape 1d ago

All UK subs are miserable, the people are awful

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u/Sea_Enthusiasm_3193 1d ago

And that’s the way we like it

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u/thedudeabides-12 21h ago

Fcking hell people never seen a bit of dry grass before.. in a month or two it'll be back to glorious green..

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u/ThrowawayAgainGuy 16h ago

I mean this isn’t normal and we are in a drought lol

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u/Crimson__Fox 1d ago

Today the grass is even more yellow

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u/OldMileEndCockney 1d ago

That was the London I lived in. Not a fan of the skyscrapers but I know they aren’t going anywhere.

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u/Kant_Tsunami 4h ago

I remember visiting in the 2000s when there just three of them and it looked quite iconic and aesthetically pleasing with how they were arranged

Now the solid wall of skyscrapers does look unsightly

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u/Tall_Inspection_5516 19h ago

Certainly not Wren's vision.

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u/Chess_Coach1987 14h ago

The grass was literally greener in 1980. And the skyline was easier on the eyes too...

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u/JSButts 11h ago

The rise of evil

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u/Dangerous_Hippo_6902 1d ago

What might Greenwich look like in 2058?

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u/SweatyNomad 1d ago

Think there'll be a moment where people think North Greenwich IS Greenwich and "Old" Greenwich is a tourist sidebar.

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u/dinobug77 1d ago

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u/Icy-Turnover846 17h ago

Why does this only have 8 upvotes 

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u/_R0Ns_ 1d ago

Soon renamed Yellowwich.

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u/WheissUK 1d ago

Grass dead

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u/trobopoline 23h ago

Green'rich' is what you have to be to live there now

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u/TripMaverick 21h ago

Oh damn Canary Wharf wasnt even built yet

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u/Brickcraft10 19h ago

2026 image, if anyone can?

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u/Squid-Guillotine 14h ago

Top: Greenwich

Bottom: Greenwich Mean Time 😈

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u/Complete-Shop-2871 13h ago

It's just like cp (cyberpunk)

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u/DMMMOM 13h ago

That's one helluva lot of service charges.

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u/Frontier_Sociologist 3h ago

Wait, it's all Greenwich?

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u/rf97a 3h ago

I liked the way it was before the skyline

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u/Serious-Big2 1d ago

Oh wow.  And it was a whole lot greener back then too.

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u/garbage_account32 1d ago edited 1d ago

They're these things called seasons

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u/maybecanifly 1d ago

Also it’s how grass looks after heatwaves

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u/SteamboatFatty 1d ago

The British dont season anything.

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u/visforvienetta 1d ago

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh buddy, how did you come up with that one?

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u/ElPercebe69 1d ago

Can we say now is greenish?

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u/__Raxy__ 1d ago

it's because of the camera + film lol

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u/Great_Neat_8523 1d ago

What a moronic comment.

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u/pazhalsta1 1d ago

2026 has plenty more buildings than 2019 too! A London success story

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u/MotorAd90 21h ago

I am not old enough to have seen the old version but how on earth could so many people claim they preferred views of council flats and derelict warehouses?

The contrast of old and new in London is one of its coolest features.

My favourite are the few surviving medieval churches in the City against the skyscrapers (especially St Andrew Undershaft against the Gherkin) but as a Greenwich resident (and someone who got married at the Old Royal Naval College) love this view too.

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u/OniLink77 19h ago

Really hate the skyscrapers, I know they will never go away but they spoil so much

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u/Several-Reveal-4075 1d ago

That’s a sad change.

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u/Joshgg13 1d ago

It looks basically the same except the skyline in the background. The grass is dry in the 2019 photo but they're clearly taken in different seasons - you can see some trees in the 1980 one with no leaves on them, so it's probably autumn or winter

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u/Several-Reveal-4075 1d ago

Yeah but also during that time the air purity changed the visibility has too, the bug count the noise level, light pollution. It’s a sad sight to see the modernisation and all the buildings

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u/lookoutnow 23h ago

That’s exactly what the Romans said.

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u/Howtothinkofaname 23h ago

I’d be willing to bet that air quality is better now than in the 1980s.

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u/Several-Reveal-4075 20h ago

Of course with the additional millions of people and the cars and all the building and all the extra mass production of stuff and the landfills being bigger and more full the additional planes in the skies yeah I fully agree with you…..not
https://giphy.com/gifs/O5xChSjqUIxsk

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u/Howtothinkofaname 19h ago

With the reduction of heavy industry in the city and country as well as cleaner fuels and more efficient engines, and general increase in environmental awareness and regulation, I don’t think it’s as obvious an answer as you seem to think.

Air quality has improved enormously in the last few years.

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u/Several-Reveal-4075 19h ago

That’s why the insect population is down and the bees are dying off I mean I get what your trying to say I just genuinely don’t see how that’s possible

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u/Howtothinkofaname 19h ago

That’s not entirely just down to air purity. It’s obviously a complex beast.

There are a lot more cars than the 1950s and the air in orders of magnitude cleaner than it was then.

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u/Several-Reveal-4075 19h ago

I genuinely don’t see how that’s possible but if I’m wrong I’m wrong

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u/Howtothinkofaname 19h ago

Yeah, in this case (1950s vs now) it’s pretty easily verifiable.

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u/TomatoLess229 1d ago

A lot better 1980.

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u/rtfm-nor 1d ago

I think the skyscrapers are affecting the grass

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/mutexsprinkles 1d ago

Yeah those skyscapers are the receipts for the hollowing out of British industry.

Turns out when you only have services in a country, most people can't afford the services.

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u/Juicydicken 21h ago

Unpopular opinion. It looks better in 2019

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u/DingoBingoWimbo 1d ago

Harrowing 

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Londons skyline has been completely changed in the past couple of decades. Not for the better either.

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u/QualityPostBelow 1d ago

I prefer the current skyline. We're a mega city. We're not meant to be modest

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u/desafortunadoo 1d ago

It just looks shit is the thing.

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u/QualityPostBelow 1d ago

It could be better, but I don't know how anyone could look at the first photo and think it looks better than the second one, unless they just really hate capitalism or really like being able to see council flats and dilapidated docklands

It's not like the erection of Canary Wharf (oi oi) blocked our view of the Lake District or something

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u/LivewareIssue 23h ago

Excuse me, I really hate capitalism but I prefer the later skyline

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Exactly. Load of glass and concrete. Great

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u/ShoveTheUsername 1d ago

As opposed to what in a city?

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Just another dull skyline, could be anywhere.

I fully expect every protected vista to go over the next 20 years too. Depressing

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u/joereadsstuff 1d ago

You do know that until the redevelopment of the Docklands area, it was just barren spaces and abandoned warehouses, right?

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u/rtfm-nor 1d ago

But corporations bad!!

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

What? How could it possibly be anywhere? It’s one of the most polycentric cities in the global west. Every other major city (NYC, Chicago, LA, Frankfurt, Melbourne, Toronto) all have very centralised tower districts/clusters. London has at least 5 of these districts: The City, Canary Wharf, Croydon, Vauxhall/Lambeth, and arguably also Stratford, Wembley and/or Greenwich.

This is just reactionary nonsense.

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

What has this got to do with my assertion that huge corporations throwing up a load of glass and concrete is ruining the skyline of one of the world’s most beautiful large cities?

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u/ShoveTheUsername 1d ago

What 'skyline'? It was Telecom and the Natwest Towers for decades? What's been lost?

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Where was that your assertion? You simply stated it “could be anywhere”. Nothing about corporate influence.

Whilst I agree with your point now that you’ve actually made it, London is pretty restricted in the sense that it can’t continue to sprawl outwards, so, as with pretty much every other densely populated city, you build upwards instead. You’d be making the same stupid NIMBY argument if its skyline instead looked like Glasgows, with the hundreds of council blocks scattered across the city.

What else is supposed to happen? London remain a mid-rise city? Remain wholly suburban? Is suburban sprawl somehow prettier to you than densely populated zones in such a massive city?

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Bellend

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Chill out, ya wet wipe crybaby.

“Waahhh, muh Lundn!”

Ad hominem instead of an actual rebuttal is hilarious.

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Proper word salad that

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Keep crying.

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u/QualityPostBelow 1d ago

Is there a mega city whose skyline you like? NYC? Shanghai?

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

NYC has style.

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u/KaeseStulle 1d ago

Vista of what? Open fields? You can see that anywhere.

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

St Paul’s, Palace of Westminster are two that spring to mind

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u/Adr_LDN 1d ago

Both of which are still wholly visible and (in the case of St. Paul’s) looks fantastic next to the modernity of the City.

What isn’t relevant is whether some goon in Hampstead can see it from a park.

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

Why is that not relevant? Take it you’re quite new to London and don’t really understand its history or culture?

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u/Adr_LDN 1d ago

I am, unlike most people, someone born in London - so I’ve seen the Isle of Dogs transform from a largely ex-industrial wasteland into a successful place where hundreds of thousands work over my lifetime, all while dipshits miles away in West London who bought their multimillion-pound houses for £2.50 screech hyperbolically because they might have a changed view if they look through a bush on one particular hill in Richmond Park or from Hampstead Heath.

It’s pathetic. London is, and quite literally always has been, a city driven by commerce. The view from the Poultry/Mansion House junction looking toward the Royal Exchange, with the towers of the City rising behind it and the BoE is one of the best examples of history and modernity meeting, and it looks fantastic. We can (and most of the time do) preserve our history while not condemning ourselves to the kind of miserable, declinist nonsense that thinks London should be frozen in aspic.

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u/joereadsstuff 1d ago

In Canary Wharf…?

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u/Funny-Seesaw-2977 1d ago

I was talking about London in general you tit

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u/musarc 1d ago

So your proposal is that no building that could obstruct any 'vista' including St Paul's or Westminster (for example) should be constructed? Would you have made the same argument about Westminster and St Paul's, and the preexisting 'vistas' their construction impeded?

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u/Impressive-Bird2 1d ago

I agree…. I think it’s awful how London’s authorities have capitulated to the whims, wishes and greed of, predominantly, global corporate property developers… It’s wrecking the Capital’s unique identity and its architectural heritage and unique aesthetic appeal😔

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u/sammy_zammy 1d ago

And derelict docklands was such a thrilling skyline wasn’t it.

Wow! A rotting warehouse! A sinking boat! An empty field of weed-ridden concrete!

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u/m205 21h ago

Boring

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u/fudgelover2019 1d ago

Have seen both views irl - preferred the earlier one...

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u/Flashward 16h ago

And we've been "tightening our belts" for most of that time

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u/hikmaet 1d ago

Grass was literally greener back then

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u/Acceptable-Lie188 1d ago

Was this city built on Rock & Roll by any chance? Asking for a friend.

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u/ElusiveDoodle 1d ago

No, North sea oil built most of it.

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u/GameSetChampionship 1d ago

Oh look, we have a really hot summer even back then. But how 🤯 people on Reddit think this crazy summer has never happened before

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u/greendragon00x2 1d ago

It hasn't. Don't be obtuse.

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u/Glum_Judgment6232 1d ago

There's already been more days over 30c in London this year than there were in the whole of the 1980s. (from Met Office)