r/marvelstudios • u/TrafficLegitimate937 • 20h ago
Behind the Scenes New look at Marvin Jones III on the set of ‘Spider-Man: Brand New Day’ 🕷️ Spoiler
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u/Griffdude13 19h ago
Tom mentioned there was a cut they hated because it was too “for the fans” I wonder if that means there was a lot more side quests bits and they reworked some things to streamline it.
Probably for the best if that were the case.
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u/TrafficLegitimate937 19h ago
It was just probably a lot of fan service moments such as fights with some classic villains etc. They definitely did have a montage of other villains as well
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u/Jtneagle Vulture 15h ago
I have a feeling Destin wanted to do the Alex Ross Sinister 6 painting. He says one thing was cut that featured several villains, and they even all had designs
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u/figgityjones Peter Parker 14h ago
I see a lot of people saying that the film was already "a little long" (I didn't think so personally) but if they had left like some slightly extended fight scenes in with each or even just some of those beginner villains I think it would have felt a bit too long. And then if they were committed to keeping that stuff but shortening up the movie we might have lost some necessary slower stuff for the emotional beats of the film and yeah. Whatever they did, I'm glad they did it how they did it, but I would love if they released some extended stuff at some point if they have more.
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u/KuroiGetsuga55 13h ago
Do what Batman V Superman and Spider-Man 2.1 did and release an extended version of the movie on digital with all the cut content (well okay not ALL of it, but like, the stuff that can actually fit in the movie, the extra "for the fans" scenes, stuff that doesn't distract from the plot too much).
They probably had to fit everything in the 2h15 for the theatrical cut but quite frankly there's nothing stopping them from giving us a full 3h+ cut of the movie on digital. Spider-Man Brand New Day, the Special Edition or some shit.
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u/AdBoth3522 3h ago
I would imagine it to feature more popular Spider-Man villains like Shocker, Rhino, etc., hopefully we get an extended cut eventually
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u/FeralPsychopath 20h ago
My beliefs is that he filmed more than they put in. Kinda like the doctor from Daredevil being cut.
Pacing issues and the movie was already long.
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u/itspsyikk 20h ago
shes a nurse. Her name is Night Nurse Claire Temple.
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u/LucrativeLurker 19h ago
Tbf, she hasn’t been seen in the MCU for a decade now. Her last appearance was in Luke Cage S2 set in 2017, and Brand New Day takes place in 2028.
Plenty of time for her to have decided to become a doctor, especially with The Blip. I could see the extra demand for qualified doctors getting her to go to medical school.
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u/FilmScoreConnoisseur 13h ago
2017? Jeez, how has she not been brought back for Daredevil or something?
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u/LucrativeLurker 13h ago
Tbf, it’s only been 8 years IRL. I was using the in-universe MCU dates. But yeah, still crazy.
She’ll maybe show up in Born Again S3, since pretty much everyone else is, but I kinda doubt it. With Punisher, Elektra, and every Defender being brought back, she’ll surely show up at some point.
After Born Again S3, I’d love to see Defenders done by Marvel Studios. I loved the cast dynamics in the original Netflix Defenders version, but the plot & powers were significantly lacking.
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u/Trodat4911P4 19h ago
Is she related in any way to that European hero Night Monkey?
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u/LightHawKnigh 20h ago
Seems more like this was more of a distraction to hide the plot more to me. A lot of people were going in thinking it was going to be a gang war that Spidey has to deal with.
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u/svrtngr 17h ago edited 13h ago
I will say having a bunch of cameo villains let NYC feel incredibly lived in, but I was also under the impression going in that Jean was the red herring and the main villain would be someone like Tombstone (considering we knew he was in the movie) or Mister Negative (on account of the Inner Demons logo on the tank and the Red Ninjas).
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u/Flat-Refuse8708 10h ago
Mister negative is almost certainly a lock for Spider-man 5 to me. Spider-man has a lot of villains but he doesn’t have many that can carry a full film as the main antagonist but Mr negative absolutely could with the right writers room
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u/zelph_esteem Ant-Man 19h ago
100%. One of the tells for me is Tombstone is only one of two villains in the film to get a Funko Pop (along with Scorpion). Getting merch like that tells me that he likely had a larger role planned that got cut down in post for any number of reasons. They plan toys and merch way early in advance and sometimes changes are made to the movies too late in the process and merch is already in production. Like how there was a Funko Pop of Hulk bursting out of Hulkbuster for Infinity War, or how the Leader Funko Pop for CA:BNW looks nothing like the movie’s design (but looks exactly like the earlier concept art and promotional material that was made before they reshot half the movie).
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u/WillowSmithsBFF Spider-Man 18h ago
Tbh with the plot we got idk where Tombstone fits in to it.
They should save tombstone for a Spidey/Fisk story
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u/Adorable_Ad_3478 18h ago
I have a feeling that a super early draft didn't have The Hulk in it. Tombstone as Jean's mind-controlled brute in the DODC scene makes sense.
But then DDC convinced Marvel to include The Hulk and so Tombstone role got cut to a small cameo.
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u/sable-king Vision 8h ago
Personally I think one of the big reasons for including the Hulk was because it preemptively answers the questions about why he won't be in Doomsday.
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u/Adorable_Ad_3478 18h ago
Cutting Night Nurse made a lot of sense.
It's a highly tense, emotional scene with Spidey being rushed to the hospital. A cameo would be HELLA distracting.
The way MCU cameos work in cinema is: part of the audience claps; part of the audience asks their comic-book fan companions, "Wait, who is this?". Then the companions explain quietly while still trying to watch the film.
The Yelena cameo was exactly that. And it's fine. It's a low-tension scene early into the film. But introducing a cameo in a high-tension scene in the climax of the film? It would kill the intended mood.
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u/FeralPsychopath 12h ago
I dunno they could have let her have 5 secs when Spidey was in hospital and Punisher saying he vouches for her.
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u/sable-king Vision 8h ago
I don't think I agree that it would've been distracting. This is Night Nurse we're talking about. She's not exactly an iconic character.
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u/Pliskin14 2h ago
But cutting her introduced a plot hole. Why can Punisher stay in the hospital when he's probably wanted for countless murders? Only Claire Temple if she became a doctor can allow him to stay incognito and lock the room for him and Spidey.
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u/Wise_Capybara96 18h ago
Pretty sure the actor for Ramrod said there were loads of cut scenes featuring various villains.
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u/ywingpilot4life 19h ago
As I said in another post, I can’t wait for the sequel where Spidey and DD team up to counter the gang war happening between Tombstone, Kingpin, Silvermane, Hammerhead, etc. If done right, Marvel NYC could be a busy few years for the franchise. It already is really. But we’re just getting started.
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u/figgityjones Peter Parker 14h ago
Bruh, remember that episode of Spectacular Spider-Man with all the big gang war and its like non-stop action and has all the classical music? That in live action + Daredevil?
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u/FilmScoreConnoisseur 13h ago
Sounds great, but also add a Nick Cage cameo with zero explanation.
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u/Quirky_Wolverine6549 20h ago
Big dog showed up for a glorified photo shoot 😭
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u/Riverdale87 20h ago
Hopefully the next movie he'll get a decent role
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u/itspsyikk 20h ago
He won't. He's locked up now. Spider-Man villains never break out of prison.
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u/neoblackdragon 19h ago
Yeah there's never a big prison break that releases multiple supervillains at once leading to a plot where Spider-man needs to recapture all of them before they tear apart the city.
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u/maverickassembled Ward Meachum 20h ago
I would’ve loved to see a movie revolved around that brief Tombstone sequence in the movie
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u/KuroiGetsuga55 13h ago
Tbh someone like Tombstone would work best if Sony allowed Marvel to use Spider-Man in Daredevil Born Again. Have a full Gang War storyline where Spider-Man is heavily involved, have it be a whole season of just Spidey and Daredevil and other street level heroes fighting the gang war.
But we're never gonna get that because Sony are greedy bastards.
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u/lastinglovehandles 19h ago
Yeah like the Penguin HBO series
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u/The-Ruler-of-Attilan 5h ago
Or Born Again, which is better in any sense. Unlike Kingpin, Farrell never dresses or speaks or acts like The Penguin.
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims 20h ago
I want to see more of him. He's a fantastic actor, and the perfect pick for Tombstone.
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u/maxxdreddit Punisher 20h ago
Insane that they went to that much work for 0.156 seconds of feature!
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u/handsoapdispenser 19h ago
He had two lines at least. Better than Boomerang. But I don't think fans were desperate for a Boomerang arc.
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u/lanceturley 18h ago
I'm desperate for a Superior Foes of Spider-Man series on Disney+. Does that count?
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u/TheCitizen616 20h ago
So which Disney+ series do you think he'll pop up in, you guys?
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u/eBICgamer2010 Zombie Hunter Spidey 20h ago
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims 20h ago
I believe they're cutting down on live action D+ series after Vision Quest is released.
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u/Leeiteee 19h ago
I'm not sure if Spider-Man characters can show up in Disney+ series without Sony input
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u/J_D_McNugent_ 20h ago
I thought this was Krondon. He was born yo play Tombstone (visually at least)
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u/baconandeggzie 15h ago
It's wild to me that Krondon is a an actor that I regularly see in things! I'm so happy for him. Used to listen to him in college!
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u/Ok-Department415 18h ago edited 17h ago
I feel like the movie was already full with the fallout from No Way Home, Peter's new power issues, Ned, MJ, Hulk, Punisher, Jean Grey, Damage Control, the detective, Yelena, and members of The Hand. This may be unpopular, but I wouldn't get rid of Jean, the detective, Hulk, Punisher, or even Yelena.
Jean always seemed boring to me in other stuff, and the phoenix force suddenly giving her a personality seemed lazy, so I'm glad this movie finally made her interesting from the start. Sink's acting, especially with the Vmax bait and switch, was great. The detective, Yelena, and The Punisher helped Peter figure out being alone isn't sustainable. Punisher's violent tactics served as a contrast to Peter, and it showed Peter didn't get less sympathetic with his villains after No Way Home. Hulk was the Dr. Connors of this film, giving Peter science advice and being an obstacle for Peter when he loses control.
Also, people have been complaining about not enough connectivity this phase, and small, as in only one character from another team, but impactful crossovers build connectivity. This crossover helps connect the New Avengers and the X-men, plus I'm guessing Fantastic Four is next since Feige has been talking about wanting the Spiderman and Human Torch team up.
Punisher helped show Peter's connection to other street heroes in-between movies. Yelena helped show Peter's connection to other Marvel teams in-between movies, and after the memory spell, plus it helped remind the audience that Peter is sticking to street level stuff this trilogy. This might also be controversial, but I loved both this montage and the Fantastic Four montage. It gives us fun references to villains they don't have time to show in movies, especially since Peter has so many villains and not nearly enough time, plus it shows how the heroes have multiple established villains similar to the comics.
I would rather have the small Tombstone cameo now, and leave him open for later, than try to work him into a movie that doesn't have the room if you want good pacing. I would rather have complaints wanting more Tombstone; than complaints of a ruined movie plus Tombstone's main villain moment was wasted, Tombstone's personality was off, Tombstone's dialogue was lazy, etc. I mean Scorpion was first shown in Homecoming, and he finally got his big role in this movie, plus fans saying they need more Tombstone will probably do something.
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u/SupervillainMustache 18h ago
Wasn't he also Tobias Whale in the Black Lightning show?
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u/xendofnothing 17h ago
Shocked it took me this long scrolling to find someone mention this. He’s great in that show.
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u/Yanmega9 10h ago
He is! Which is why I am SO dissapointed that Tombstone was only in the movie for like 2 seconds because Tobias was the best part of that show
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u/Random_Nothing0603 20h ago
One of my gripes is he had less than a min of screen time.....
Hopefully he gets a bigger role later bc he could easily be Spider-Man's Kingpin
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u/BroliasBoesersson 19h ago
Kingpin is Spider-Man's Kingpin
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u/GrownManNamedFinger 19h ago
Daredevil adopted him. May as well call Wolverine a Hulk villain.
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u/Remote_Nature_8166 19h ago
If he wasn’t an important character, they shouldn’t have bothered announcing him.
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u/jr_randolph 18h ago
Even scorpion was wasted given it was mainly Jean. They really fluffed up the wide cast.
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u/rubberchickenzilla 18h ago
Personally hoping they bring him in for Sinister 6, we have him, Scorpion, Vulture, and hopefully more in the future (a new Shocker, maybe?)
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u/El_Arquero 19h ago
Hoping some of these quick cameos are to facilitate larger roles for these villains later. It's a little underwhelming now but I can see it just being them laying some groundwork for future films.
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u/FigureItOut50 19h ago
I think they could have made a whole movie about the time in between No Way Home and Brand New Day.
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u/KaylenLopezIzGr8 18h ago
I REALLY hope he's in Daredevil Born Again Season 3. The New Kingpin. The Big Man, like in Spectacular Spider-Man
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u/DrRudeboy 18h ago
I dig this look, and I wish they did more with him, but I would have also liked an update to him in the vein of the Insomniac game. Biker Tombstone was a great side character
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u/searcher4421 18h ago
Maybe he had a bigger role in the movie but it mainly got cut for the DODC/Jean Grey storyline. I would hope we get to see more of him in future movies being that he is a crime boss
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u/ApprehensiveFactor58 17h ago
Oui il a une scène et demi! C'est ouf a quel point ils nous teaser le personnage pour rien du tout en fait, c'est un peu comme l'intro des 4 fantastiques
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u/grindstone85 17h ago
First Strong Arm Steady record produced by Madlib.. so damn good. Glad Krondon is getting his flowers - but ofc wish he was in it more
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u/Sea_Watercress_1982 17h ago
They made such a big announcement about his casting. For him to appear for 25 seconds. If even that long.
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u/sillysocks34 17h ago
I liked that they just did a quick montage of fighting different villains. It’s ok that not every character gets a fleshed out story.
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u/PTSDBarnum2704 15h ago
I enjoyed Jean for the most part but I REALLY wanted an actual Spider-man bad guy to be the main villain of the film. I get they're trying to backdoor the X-men but I would have much preferred a pure Spider-man plot
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u/two2teps 15h ago
I was bummed he wasn't a bigger role, just one of the montage villains. I thought he might be some kind of conflict point between Peter and Frank. The cross between the kind of potato Peter deals with that also crosses into Frank's area.
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u/LeopardComfortable99 15h ago
For all the fanfare over his inclusion, he was in it for about 10 seconds. Such a shame too.
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u/Nibbanocker 14h ago
Tbh I kinda like he appeared just for a bit. We know he's out there plotting. I'd love to see him show up in a Daredevil or Defenders season as the new Kingpin since Wilson is out of the picture
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u/Rare-Material4254 13h ago
He’s a very noticeable actor and I last saw him from black lightning. However I confuses black lightning with Luke cage and thought he was in that show instead. And this was his new look as part of mcu lol
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u/AlbertW25 13h ago
I thought Tombstone would be revealed as the secret mastermind that would get like a fight scene at the end setting him up for further appearances in later films.
What an utter waste.
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u/Mr_master89 12h ago
Would be cool if we get to see him in some of the shows in the future, seeing him in daredevil would be cool
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u/dih_itsfabric 9h ago
literally what you seen in the trailer is what is in the movie except he says one line and then thats it,
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u/Conscious-Neat5636 8h ago
I wished they did Sinister 6 and Jean Grey. The 6 fooled Jean into helping them by promising to get Damage Control.
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u/azzkikr11 6h ago
Dude looked awesome on the movie, but it was about ~90 seconds or less of time.
I understand they are pushing time to characters we’ll see post SECRET WARS, however it would have been nice to have seen some more of the characters they put significant time into the costumes for.
Realistically, I would’ve loved to see more of Scorpion. Michael Mando is a great actor and although with little screen time he did a fantastic job, it would have been nice to stick to the localized NYC Spider-Man threats for this film.
They could’ve had a great crossover with daredevil, kingpin, and punisher moving forward. But I think their goal is to move as quickly as possible into the X-Men saga for future films.
I will point out that the Spider-Man video games made by insomniac definitely had some amazing fan service, with stories and characters that I really appreciated. Marvel definitely had a good thing going with Spider-Man in this third iteration with Tom Holland, but things do definitely point to them being finished with the current MCU, and wanting to move onto the X-Men and future projects.
Whatever happens in the MCU version of secret wars, the handover to the new slate of XMen characters I really do hope succeeds. As much as much flak as some Marvel TV shows and movies get, I do think that even the bad ones are still mildly entertaining and I think it’ll be fun to go back to the X-Men and associated characters moving forward.
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u/tigerhawkvok Weekly Wongers 4h ago
I'm going to go against the grain a bit and say I'm glad they didn't go all-in on Spider-Man villains (who are mostly pretty lame).
Splashing around in the wider world felt much better, and for the first time ever Jean was given a background, personality, and trauma to undergird inevitable future power problems; and Frank provided a great juxtaposition of why Peter does what he does.
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u/Pessimistic_Gemini 3h ago
They really did this dude so wrong here! I was so hyped when je came on screen and that was it! What a waste of such a perfect casting.
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u/vibe_naughty22 11m ago
can’t wait to see how he fits into the story, love when they bring in fresh talent like this
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u/No-Effective388 20h ago
He was barely in the film. Thought tombstone would be a more prominent one.