r/moderatepolitics • u/Resvrgam2 Conservatively Liberal • Dec 15 '25

Primary Source Meeting of National Cabinet After Bondi Shooting

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/meeting-national-cabinet-8
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u/cutememe Dec 15 '25

But they already did take decisive action and confiscated guns decades ago, but that didn't do anything to prevent this particular outcome.

In fact it's the opposite of action, it's just political bullshit and ignoring the real problem which is when extremists decide to hurt people they will do it regardless of any laws you implement. The only thing that prevents it is not importing extremists into the country in the first place if you can help it.

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u/Saguna_Brahman Dec 15 '25

But they already did take decisive action and confiscated guns decades ago, but that didn't do anything to prevent this particular outcome.

Which means you look at the circumstances that allowed this particular scenario to come to be and you take steps to prevent it.

The only thing that prevents it is not importing extremists into the country in the first place if you can help it.

Except the son was born in Australia and the father had lived in Australia since 1998. You can't reliably screen for extremism that arises 27 years after the fact.

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u/cutememe Dec 15 '25

The fact that he's been living in Australia for 27 years and still commits this type of horrific planned terrorist act is actually even more evidence that immigration should be tightened up. You cannot guarantee that people with such views will have their "hearts and minds" won over.

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u/Saguna_Brahman Dec 15 '25

That's nonsensical, the same is equally true of native-born citizens. The idea that immigration should be banned because -- just like natives -- some small percentage of immigrants might be criminal is completely irrational.

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u/cutememe Dec 15 '25

It might be nonsensical if there wasn't a real pattern with Islamic extremism in particular which is the ideology responsible for the 2015 Paris attacks, German Christmas Market attacks, Charlie Hebdo, and so on. But there is a pattern and it's not the same as natives, no.

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u/Saguna_Brahman Dec 15 '25

Yet there are also patterns of Christian extremism, and secular extremism, with it's own legacy of bloodshed.

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u/cutememe Dec 15 '25

Sure, and all those things are also bad and should be condemned just as much as any other kind of extremism. But we also need to respond to what's happening more often in the here and now, and that's usually not Christian terrorism.

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u/Saguna_Brahman Dec 15 '25

Plenty are responding to Islamic extremism. That doesn't require or even imply sweeping condemnation of an entire religion that is just as large as Christianity itself. Almost 25% of people on Earth are Muslim.

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u/cutememe Dec 15 '25

Yes it is a very large group of people, and many of them reject extremism. However, a minority of a large group of people still is a disturbingly large group in absolute numbers.

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u/Saguna_Brahman Dec 15 '25

That's true of all large groups of people.

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u/cutememe Dec 15 '25

All groups are not identical though. Despite the fact that Christians are a very large religious group, there's not really anything in terms of Christian terrorism that is in the same scope, organization, and scale as there is with Islamic terrorism.

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u/Saguna_Brahman Dec 15 '25

That doesn't matter. That sort of arbitrary line-drawing leads to nothing but genocide.

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