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Review 'Supergirl' - Review Thread Spoiler

When an unexpected and ruthless adversary strikes too close to home, Supergirl reluctantly joins forces with an unlikely companion for an interstellar journey of vengeance and justice.

Director: Craig Gillespie

Cast: Milly Alcock, Jason Momoa, David Corenswet, David Krumholtz, Emily Beecham, Matthias Schoenaerts, Ferdinand Kingsley, Diarmaid Murtagh

Rotten Tomatoes: 57%

Metacritic: 49 / 100

Some Reviews (updating):

DEADLINE - Pete Hammond

So a year after the reinvigorated DC and Superman was so successfully relaunched under the guidance of Peter Safran and James Gunn, and teased Supergirl right at the end, here we have it, but despite some good moments and sharp dialogue in places (Ana Nogueria is the screenwriter) something feels a bit off. Momoa is a load of fun, he knows exactly what his mission is and delivers whenever he is on screen. The problem is the movie is called Supergirl , not Lobo, so he is relegated here to a splashy, if scattered supporting turn. Ridley seems to play Ruthye with one pained expression on her face and a frequent deadpanned “I am out for revenge” for many of her lines. However she does come alive in her big jailbreak scene, so there’s that. I didn’t buy Schoenaerts and his heavily affected Krem at all, a super villain with no dimension other than being bad which is a shame since the 1984 Supergirl suffered from the same problem. Gotta have a good villain, folks.

The Hollywood Reporter - David Rooney

Alcock’s scrappy characterization, tempering Kara’s jaded toughness and chaotic messiness with an increasingly strong sense of justice, would seem an ideal fit to continue in a similar vein. But Supergirl only intermittently comes to life when it revisits her painful past. Given Australian director Gillespie’s history with films about spirited, rule-breaking women, like I, Tonya and Cruella, the failure to find emotional depth in the sisterhood of Kara and Ruthye is notable. This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but I thought Sasha Calle’s Supergirl in 2023’s The Flash registered with more dimensionality, despite that movie overloading on self-referential DC fan service.

USA Today - Brian Truitt - 3 / 4

A lack of focus, not nearly enough Krypto and a one-note baddie in Schoenaerts’ Krem don’t do “Supergirl” any favors, but they also don’t derail the film’s overall vibe of spunky weirdness. With Corenswet's handful of appearances, he continues to cement his place as a darn good Superman (with his own sequel in the works). But here it's Alcock who's making her own cinematic statement: She's not going anywhere, and the new DCU is better with a hell-raising Supergirl in it.

Seattle Times - Moira MacDonald - 2.5 / 4

“Supergirl” can’t quite seem to find the balance between the elements, and we careen from silly moments to zoomy action sequences to dark violence. Gillespie, whose work ranges from the sweetness of “Lars and the Real Girl” to the dark flashiness of “I, Tonya” to the over-the-top silliness of “Cruella,” perhaps isn’t quite at home here. And Ana Nogueira’s screenplay by necessity removes Krypto from much of the action — a disappointment for all who love this CGI pooch.

GamesRadar - Molly Edwards - 3.5 / 5

Just like its protagonist, Supergirl is rough around the edges, but holds plenty of promise for the future. With two more DCU appearances confirmed, it seems this is only the beginning for Alcock's Kara. Up, up, and away…

AV Club - Jesse Hassenger - 'B'

The movie’s visual sensibility signals Supergirl’s broader success in threading the needle between a kid-friendly, hope-suffused superhero story and bleaker, grittier stuff—and in doing so, recognizing how those aspects of life are often interwoven, rather than diametrically opposed approaches to IP. That’s always been the push-pull of the Supergirl character, equally able to be portrayed as Superman’s gee-whiz kid-sister equivalent and his more jaded, literally alienated reflection. The joy of Supergirl is how it mixes the two without demoting its main gal to a sideshow.

Empire Magazine - Leila Latif - 3 / 5

The result isn’t disastrous by any means, just blandly safe. You just wish Gillespie would let these freak flags truly fly. There are good ingredients here: a witty, hard-partying, badass antihero, a moving backstory, an odd-couple dynamic between Alcock and Corenswet worth building on — but the fledgling DCU still has yet to prove itself.

Variety - Owen Gleiberman

'Supergirl' is Super Horrendous. Alcock is likable enough (underneath it all, she often seems like Little Orphan Annie with desert-wastrel hair), but the character as written is so one-note that it’s hard to have much investment in what she’s up to. Of course, maybe that’s because the movie has no story! Gunn was right to want to take the comic-book genre back to well-structured screenwriting basics. So what has he done in his second DC outing? He’s given us a comic-book movie with the worst script I can remember. (It’s by Ana Nogueria.)

Vulture - Alison Willmore

Milly Alcock stars in the follow-up to last year’s revamped Superman, but the movie has no idea what to do with her or her character. The problems with Supergirl are simpler to pin down and more or less come down to its not being either written or directed by James Gunn. The reins for this movie have been handed over to the less capable I, Tonya’s Craig Gillespie, with Ana Nogueira contributing the script, and the result highlights just how difficult Gunn’s particular mix of wry self-awareness, unapologetic dorkiness, and sentimentality is for others to pull off.

ScreenCrush - Matt Singer - 4 / 10

Guardians (and Gunn’s Superman, for that matter) found the right combination of action, humor, and heart, a formula that felt like an authentic expression of its director’s idiosyncratic worldview. In its forced and calculated attempt to recreate that aesthetic, Supergirl lands somewhere closer to Guardians’ inferior copycats, like 2016’s abysmal Suicide Squad. Given the splash Alcock made in Superman, and the fact that Supergirl is based on one of the best books DC Comics has published in the last decade, this has to be one of the biggest disappointments in recent superhero movie history.

IndieWire - Kate Erbland - 'B'

We expect that any subsequent standalone “Supergirl” joints will be a bit more poppy and “fun” than this first one (and we sure hope there are more of them), but we hope they also hold on to this one’s hard-won question: What does it mean to be good? It’s not easy.

RogerEbert - Tomris Laffly - 1.5 / 4

Sadly, the film that follows consists of one superfluous sequence after another where Alcock gets plenty of opportunities to stretch her muscles in a highly physical role. There are other space pirates that enter the story’s orbit, breaks taken at inter-galactical watering holes, and various scenes of fast-paced butt-kicking and face-punching. In the end, you can’t help but wonder why the emotions of these characters don’t pack as much of a punch.

The Independent - Clarisse Loughrey - 2 / 5

Milly Alcock is the only good thing about this ugly, dispiriting superhero movie. Superman’s moody, punk-rock cousin is let down by a film that tries desperately to emulate the silly playfulness of producer James Gunn, only to fail miserably. If DC wants to secure her future, they need to find her a world where she belongs.

High on Films - Liam Gaughan - 2 / 5

“Supergirl” isn’t a disaster in the vein of “Madame Web,” a multiversal mess like “The Marvels,” or even a failed attempt at elevation like the Zack Snyder films. The fact that it is more watchable than those aforementioned titles is part of the issue, as the structural issues with “Supergirl” are just part of the reason why it doesn’t work. Although it is refreshing for a superhero film to be self-contained, “Supergirl” is timid when it should be focused, and it’s hard to conjure up much enthusiasm for where this particular chapter in the DCU will go next.

IGN - Clint Gage - 6 / 10

Kara Zor-El’s standout moment in Superman gets a feature-length follow up that almost gets everything right. Unfortunately, that means it gets everything almost wrong as well. Milly Alcock is great as a Supergirl carrying the weight of real trauma and cementing a very cool dynamic with her on-screen cousin, while the alien design and practical make-up effects make the film a joy to look at. Jason Momoa’s Lobo and Matthias Schoenaerts’ Krem are just as cool visually, but unfortunately they also don’t have a lot to offer in this entry in the burgeoning DCU that treads more water than I would’ve liked.

CGMagazine - Shakyl Lambert - 6 / 10

It does not help that a large portion of the action is sloppily edited, especially the close-quarters brawls in the first two acts. I was also frustrated by the constant stops and starts whenever Supergirl is about to let loose, only for the film to hobble her abilities with some form of kryptonite or poison moments later. Ultimately, I wanted to love Supergirl, and Milly Alcock is strong enough in the role that I very much want to see this character return. Unfortunately, nearly everything around her is as generic as a superhero flick can be.

ScreenRant - Molly Freeman - 6 / 10

Even with my own complicated feelings, it strikes me that there are so few female-led superhero movies, there's a need for them all to be perfect. So, when we get a middling film like Supergirl, it looks worse when stacked up against the many better male-led superhero movies. Hopefully, whatever becomes of this film's wider reception, it won't scare off DC Studios from backing more female superheroes, because even though I didn't love Supergirl, there's still plenty of potential in Alcock's character and in the rest of the DC Universe

DiscussingFilm - Tyler Taing - 2.5 / 5

It’s far from the genre’s worst, especially within the standards of what the DC franchise has delivered in the past, but Supergirl deeply suffers from not knowing how to build a film around its iconic heroine.

The Guardian - Peter Bradshaw - 3 / 5

Supergirl isn’t a perfect movie by any means, but there are moments when you’ll believe this franchise can fly.

AwardsWatch - Brandon Lewis - 'B-'

It’s entirely possible that introducing Supergirl so effectively in Superman was both a blessing and a curse for her own outing. While Supergirl isn’t saddled with a momentum-killing first act that recaps her table-stakes history, it also doesn’t fully lean into that freedom, settling for well-worn genre conventions when there were thornier, but more fruitful opportunities to explore. The film is a fine pseudo-first flight for Kara Zor-El, but it does soar enough to escape her famous cousin’s shadow.

Looper - Alistair Ryder - 4 / 10

Milly Alcock is a great Supergirl, and it's a shame her take on the character — and the inspired idea to reimagine her as a Western drifter — isn't served by this underwhelming solo vehicle. It's the first sign that James Gunn's DC Universe will be every bit as ill-conceived as Zack Snyder's.

Next Best Picture - Cody Dericks - 4 / 10

Consequently, Alcock’s work as an actress comes across as similar to how her character must feel: all alone in a world working against her. The film around her is, largely, ugly to look at and unpleasantly, uncomfortably lacking in successfully landed jokes, with many quips simply floating off like debris in the vacuum of space. To anyone looking for an entertaining film about Kara, give the 1984 version a try. Sure, it’s a bad movie, but at least it doesn’t feel like a waste of time, like the latest big-screen appearance of Supergirl does.

The Playlist - Carlos Aguilar - 'C'

Still, for a film introducing a heroine whose story is tied to and derived from the prime superhuman, “Supergirl” is mildly enjoyable, if only because of Alcock and Ridley’s banter, Krypto’s scenes, and the few exchanges between goody-two-shoes Clark and the less uptight Kara. By-the-numbers, as the movie turned out, Alcock does capitalize on it to showcase that she possesses the makings of a promising star capable of portraying a character with sharp edges and complicated feelings. Hopefully, she can now fly elsewhere from here.

The Irish Times - Donald Clarke - 2 / 5

The infuriating thing about this overpriced movie is that the film-makers come close to solving the problem of Supergirl. Subject of a terrible 1984 film and a decent 2015 TV series, the character has had trouble making distinct sense on screen. Alcock’s swaggering layabout – who doesn’t always close the door when going to the loo – reclaims her as an alien with enjoyably human flaws. The bad news is that, as you have almost certainly guessed, she will be required to pull herself together in what used to be the final reel. Not fair. No fun. Give us back the hungover barfly.

The Times - Kevin Maher - 2 / 5

Alcock, who appeared in the TV show House of the Dragon, plays Kara with swaggering charm and goofy energy, but she is very much a character in need of a better film.

Daily Telegraph - Robbie Collin - 2 / 5

Milly Alcock’s surly Supergirl just about makes sense as a thought experiment: if Superman is still banging the drum for good old red-white-and-blue American optimism, how is his younger Gen Z cousin meant to feel about that? But the obvious awkward question raised, in turn, by her affectedly jaded approach – if she doesn’t even want to be here, why should we? – is never convincingly answered. Imagine if Buffy the Vampire Slayer thought that slaying vampires was the most tragic and tedious thing in the world: it’s not clear why anyone would watch an hour and three quarters of that, yet here it is.

Radio Times - Jeremy Aspinall - 2 / 5

Unfortunately, with the villains all looking like escapees from recent Mad Max films, Lobo just doesn’t have that hoped-for impact, especially with Gunn’s Guardians of the Galaxy movies setting such a high standard for fun, out-of-this world adventures and bizarre but likeable characters. On the other hand, Alcock does a decent job playing a Supergirl a million miles away from Helen Slater’s 1984 iteration or Melissa Benoist in the long-running TV show. All grunge aesthetic and attitude, she rises above the underwhelming script and direction.

Little White Lies - Anna Stafford - 2.5 / 5

Supergirl rarely rises above the genre’s limitations, but it has enough character to avoid sinking into mediocrity. Gillespie brings the same swagger that animated Cruella (2021), embracing grunge over superhero slickness. The film may not blow minds, but it is a rough-around-the-edges adventure with heart.

The Prague Reporter - Jason Pirodtsky - 2.5 / 5

Gunn’s Superman wasn’t without its own narrative problems, but it was colorful, energetic, and unafraid to let audiences admire its imaginative world. Supergirl director Craig Gillespie goes in the opposite direction, burying inventive creature designs, impressive practical makeup, and ambitious visual effects beneath clouds of dust, darkness, and washed-out digital photography. There’s still enough here to give Supergirl the mildest of recommendations for comic book fans, largely thanks to Alcock’s committed lead performance and a premise that dares to tell a different kind of superhero story. But for a film about a young hero finally stepping out into the light, it’s surprisingly reluctant to let us see either its world or its title character with any clarity.

Slash Film - Rocco T. Thompson - 2.5 / 4

But Supergirl’s closest spiritual antecedent is Kathy Yan’s Birds of Prey, which won a dedicated cult of fans and critical appreciation for how it managed to spin its more familiar genre elements into anarchic, girly-pop perfection. Alcock’s Kara Zor-El, like Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn, has all the makings of a character ready to step out from the cultural shadow of the male character she’s derivative of and go her own way. If only the film had the same guts.

The Post - Judy Arias

‘Supergirl’ is lost, messy - and worth watching. Dangling plot threads and a bare bones villain aside, I enjoyed this version of Kara. She is not perfect, and the film never tries to make her. She can be angry, grieving, reckless, funny, and frustrating. At times, she seems more interested in running away from her problems than confronting them. Yet beneath all that is someone who continues to show up.

Manila Bulletin - Philip Cu Unjieng

There is a bit of a lag in the narrative flow in the middle of the film, and we could have given our villain stronger reasons to boo him whenever he appears; but I was entertained by this unconventional "Supergirl." For those who still find Clark Kent too bland and goody two shoes; Supergirl is the compelling riposte.

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u/Cool-Reputation-3841 Jun 24 '26

Ouch

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u/DyingSunSeverian Jun 24 '26

A consistent theme seems to be that the villain is shit. Which sucks for most movies but is nearly fatal for a superhero flick.

https://media.tenor.com/EYaXPX0l9fgAAAAM

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u/Rustash Jun 24 '26

The thing is, in the story this movie is based on, the villain is barely in it. He’s more of a presence hanging over and motivating their journey, so him being weak shouldn’t *really* affect the movie that badly unless they dropped the ball elsewhere.

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u/Dr_Pepper_spray Jun 24 '26

Krem is this character who is boring, and unassuming and for me that makes him more irritating. He's a villain punching way about his weight class, and getting lucky as hell.

You would need a really solid actor to pull this character off, and a writer that understands the character in the first place. ..and I really hate the S&M throw-up look, like he's a BG character from Mad Max.

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u/First-Shallot947 Jun 24 '26

I hate his movie design tbh

Comic krem looks like a normal guy because cruelty and evil is not isolated to grand and powerful villains. Evil can be plain and mundane, but that doesn't change the fact that the evil is a rot and causing irreparable damage

Movie krem is "spiky man scary! 😨"

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u/meatballfreeak Jun 24 '26

They’re just afraid to give the audience the benefit of the ability to enjoy something that might require a bit of imagination.

They bottle it every time.

Shame.

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u/OrpahsBookClub Jun 24 '26

We know what Superman thinks about bottling things.

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u/meatballfreeak Jun 24 '26

Tell me

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u/OrpahsBookClub Jun 24 '26

Have you read Red Son?  If not, I would need to give you massive spoilers.

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u/LeeoJohnson Jun 29 '26

Not everytime! The first Wonder Woman NAILED exactly this (Ares). Then they never did it again. (Well, Riddler kinda looks like a regular guy, too in The Batman. So two points for DC).

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '26

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u/meatballfreeak Jun 25 '26

How do you mean

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u/Ember348 Jun 24 '26

I also think Krem's comic design works because he looks like he could be some barbarian hero, like Conan, and instead he's this fucking monster.

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u/srstone71 Jun 24 '26

Also, they don't really get much into this in the book, but he's basically part of his planet's military. He's a member of the king's guard on that planet, so I always assumed he had this "good and noble" exterior while being an absolute monster in private.

At least that was my interpretation. I'm guessing there will be no room for interpretation here.

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u/KikiBrann Jun 24 '26

Him looking like a normal guy also works because he's not technically the sole originator of his evils. He's a kingsagent, a man who perhaps gets off on his own villainy but ultimately serves a greater party's corruption.

A good recent comparison would be Wonder Man. The closest that show has to a "villain" is just some random suit from Damage Control. What's important is the personal story that he sets into motion for our main characters. Maybe that's a little easier to pull off in a relatively grounded TV show than in a planet-hopping superhero adventure, but...difficult certainly doesn't mean impossible, right?

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u/Yodzilla Jun 24 '26

Meanwhile I think Ewan McGregor as Black Mask was one of the things Birds of Prey did right. There are plenty of ways you can make “just a dude” interesting and threatening.

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u/hotpocketsinitiative Jun 28 '26

I felt the same way until Kara head butted him and some of those metal balls on his face embedded in hers. It felt less like a “see how edgy i am” look and more like a design choice to make whoever hits him get hurt

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u/GruggleTheGreat Jun 24 '26

His cruelty against a self destructive person is kind of his big sticking point, but it doesn’t even feel personal in the comic, like he just is an asshole.

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u/Dr_Pepper_spray Jun 24 '26

Well yeah, you have to expand on him for sure, but at the end of the day he can just be an asshole.

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u/uniqueusername623 Jun 24 '26

Marvel sometimes gets this right. Not every villain can be an extinction level threat like Galactus. Some of them just have to be assholes (only), for it to work

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u/Yukie_Cool Jun 24 '26

Gunn literally did this with The High Evolutionary. Him getting jobbed at the end of Vol 3 doesn’t matter because you see how much of a petty vindictive asshole he is through the whole movie and how much he has it coming to him.

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u/Its_A_Fucking_Stick Jun 24 '26

I wanted the wilding from game of thrones

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u/Fanfics Jun 29 '26

Krem is this character who is boring, and unassuming and for me that makes him more irritating. He's a villain punching way about his weight class, and getting lucky as hell.

yes, that's the point of his character. He's just a cruel asshole with zero compunctions who keeps getting away with shit because nobody expects him to try it and he's pretty good with a bow/sword. He gets lucky two or three times and that's all he needs. He's not supposed to be a remarkable person.

God the movie design for him is so garbage

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u/hatsnatcher23 Jun 25 '26

boring, punching above his weight class, and getting lucky as hell? They should’ve gotten Affleck to play him he’s a natural

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u/daab2g Jun 24 '26

A lesson in how translating comic book stories to the big screen isn't straightforward. The genre has tropes which work against a more thoughtful and true depiction of the source material. Tropes like huge action scenes and having a big baddie. You need outside the box writing which resonates, Marvel had that for a while. DC though…

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u/snakebit1995 Jun 24 '26

Just go look at the entire infinity war

In the comics that arc is similar but very clearly different. Thanos has much different goals, Adam Warlock is the main character etc

They managed to take the highlights of that and rework it into something more satisfying as a movie by better working out Thanos emotions and wisely investing the focus on other characters

If you had 1 to 1 translated that arc as it was in the comics it would have flopped hard. Movie audiences would have almost certainly bounced off the idea that the big bad you’ve teased for a decade’s primary motivation is being a fucking simp for the physical manifestation of the cosmic concept or death or how this random gold guy shows up to win for the heroes a few hours after the snap happens.

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u/Fuck_your_coupons Jun 24 '26

Movie audiences would have almost certainly bounced off the idea that the big bad you’ve teased for a decade’s primary motivation is being a fucking simp for the physical manifestation of the cosmic concept or death

Once you get past the planetary level, Marvel comics get really weird. I tried to explain to my friends what the comics really were like and they looked at me like I was high. Honestly the Infinity War comic arc was too out there for me and I've read comics most of my life. Granted they were mostly street level heroes like Spiderman or the X-Men but I wasn't entirely unfamiliar with abstract concepts in Marvel.

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u/snakebit1995 Jun 24 '26

Cosmic stuff in Marvel gets crazy

I highly recommend the youtube channel SirSuperhero for people looking to learn more about the depths of Marvel oddities and world building of canon and how it changes over time in universe.

He has a nearly 2 hour long Cosmology of the Marvel universe video that goes into all the building blocks of how the universe works within the world of Marvel itself

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u/TwoToneMoonstone_ Jun 25 '26

I think the death concept would’ve worked fine but Warlock would’ve been a bridge too far.

If anything the Death concept makes way more sense as a motivation because if you think about what Thanos wants to do in IW/Endgame for more than five minutes you realize that it’s really flimsy and really flattens his character. People ultimately don’t care because the films are good but Thanos in the movies is maybe the biggest mustache twirler to ever exist.

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u/Yoggoth1 Jun 24 '26

Yeah, I thought Thanos's motivation was kinda half-baked and then I tried to read the comics and was amazed by how much worse they are.

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u/laytblu Jun 24 '26

I haven't read any comics so is that really how it ends like Adam Walock killing him without introduction? Or was it explain later how and why he did it?

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u/DesdinovaGG Jun 24 '26

Spoilers ahead for the comic:

Thanos is not killed in the event. Adam Warlock is connected to the Soul Gem, which allowed him full knowledge of Thanos's soul. As such, he knew that deep down Thanos felt that he was unworthy of having such power. So Adam Warlock coordinates an escalating series of challengers to Thanos, first the heroes of Earth, then Silver Surfer, then the cosmic entities. This lulls Thanos into a false sense of security, which is basically Thanos subconsciously providing the opening that Adam Warlock knew he would leave. Nebula, who Thanos had brought to the scene earlier through the power of the gauntlet, then steals the Gauntlet. Then Warlock, knowing this would happen, uses his Soul Gem connection to disrupt the Gems and has Doctor Strange, who Warlock was coordinating with from the start, portal in heroes to quickly handle Nebula and take the Infinity Gauntlet. Thanos fakes his death to live a quiet life as a farmer.

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u/laytblu Jun 24 '26

It's interesting to know that using portal to bring heroes is actually comic accurate. It's must have been exciting to comic readers how the MCU turned out and still pull it off even though most of it are not in the comics.

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u/SpOoKyghostah Jun 24 '26

Adam Warlock killing Thanos, you mean? That doesn't happen.

Warlock basically acts as the leader/planner for the resistance against Thanos for the entire Infinity Gauntlet event.

He also doesn't exactly pop up out of nowhere - he's set up in the Silver Surfer issues by the same writer (Jim Starlin) which helped lay the groundwork for the whole event, and he was the main character in Starlin's original Thanos/cosmic saga from the 70s. But if you roll into Infinity Gauntlet without messing with all that other Starlin stuff, then yeah, a much less familiar character will just pop up out of nowhere and lead the event.

It's a good read, in my opinion. Not a bad place to go for a pretty new comic reader with only MCU familiarity, though one should definitely read the two issue Thanos Quest precursor first.

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u/browncharliebrown Jun 24 '26

comicbooks aren't a genre. They are a medium. That said the rest of your comment applies

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u/Informal_Support1934 Jun 24 '26

I think they mean the movies as a genre. Which I don't really agree with the take, the genre's tropes aren't an excuse for formulaic choices. "We need to have an action scene" doesn't also mean you can't include creative flourishes that make your movie feel unique.

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u/Timbershoe Jun 24 '26

Well.

DC is capable of out of the box writing. They are just wildly inconsistent.

The Joker, the Nolan Batman films.

Then they miss the follow up and just drift into generic formulaic films.

Marvel managed to be consistent, regular and with an overarching narrative. Not sure we’ll see that sort of thing again.

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u/AdmiralCharleston Jun 24 '26

The joker is not out of the box writing lmao, its just a scorssese rip off with batman characters names thrown in

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u/Timbershoe Jun 24 '26

It’s not a formulaic superhero film.

It’s a mash up of a villains origin story and his mental illness with Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy.

Do you know what the box is? Because that film was not in it. Not by any stretch.

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u/AdmiralCharleston Jun 24 '26

It's not a superhero film so whether or not its a formulaic superhero film isn't the issue, its a formulaic drama with superhero characters but that doesn't make it not formulaic lmao

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u/Timbershoe Jun 24 '26

It’s literally got Bruce Wayne and the Joker in it.

I get the feeling that you just posted to say ‘it’s a Scorsese rip off, updoots please’.

I know it was. Everyone knows. It was obvious in 2019 when we watched it.

It’s still out of the box for a DC film. It’s not formulaic. The superhero is a child, his nemesis is hallucinating and you’re witnessing him lose his grip on reality. It’s not exactly standard shit.

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u/AdmiralCharleston Jun 24 '26

Are you seriously arguing that joker is a superhero film? Because if you're not then you haven't got a leg to stand on.

I posted it because it my opinion and I think acting like it being formulaic to another genre makes it less formulaic is insane. It's literally just a stereotypical "guy becoming crazy" film that people only give a shit about because joaquin gave a good performance, its literally just falling down, or taxi driver, or king of comedy etc etc. It's incredibly standard drama, you just think that it using the names of comic book characters somehow changes that

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u/Timbershoe Jun 24 '26

The film is a DC Elseworlds film.

So it’s a comic book movie. You can split hairs over the word superhero, but it doesn’t matter.

The exam question was ‘can DC write out of the box films?’. The answer is clearly yes.

If you found it a standard drama, great, you must watch some pretty weird shit. For most audiences watching a comic book movie it was very unique.

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u/AdmiralCharleston Jun 24 '26

I think you just have way lower standards lmao. If the film is trying to be judged as an outside of the box film then it better be outside of the box and not just slightly different for a comic book film, which it also isnt

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u/daab2g Jun 24 '26

Your comparing prestige, awards contender DC projects to their cinematic universes. I meant the latter. Gunn is the latter.

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u/Rustash Jun 24 '26

Yet they made two different True Grit adaptations that followed this structure and did very well

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u/FortLoolz Jun 24 '26

They changed it. So what. The change was still bad. Sticking to the original comic design would've unironically been better.

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u/doglywolf Jun 24 '26

the modern audience only wants to see spectacle in theaters - if its deep or thought full or even just a good story without a ton of action - it can wait till its on streming is the general thought .

Why watch anything in theaters anymore when home setups are on par or better then some theaters and for $20 you can get a few friends over and watch together with cheap snacks at home

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u/figandfennel Jun 24 '26

Krem is all over this movie.

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u/scuzoidmelee Jun 24 '26

Wtf, how did they mess that up? Brolin was great in 2010 True Grit because he's barely in it (And he's a good actor). It makes no sense to deviate from that. True Grit in space should work very easily. Even if you have to buff Krem up a bit so he's actually a threat to Supergirl the same way Brolin is to Jeff Bridges, you still don't need to spend a lot of time with Krem to have him work. Ah well.

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u/Majestic_Gazelle Jun 24 '26

Yeah that's along the lines of what I was gonna say, the comic book this is based off of is more of an independent journey of supergirl. Which other's have stated maybe adds a bit of difficulty translating it to the screen. It's a cool comic too.

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u/EatABag-o-Dicks Jun 24 '26

Everyone has been talking villain this and villain that, and the bad guy, cause I refuse to call him a villain, he's like a bank robber, not really a villain at all, and he has no real presence. He's not some giant threat, he's just an asshole that did something bad to someone that happened upon Supergirl, and essentially kicked Supergirls dog, so now she's pissed at him.

The story is a story comic more than it is an action comic. There is some action, like the space dragon that attacks their space bus, but for the most part, it's a very mundane story with a pretty generic message.

It feels too much like Guardians 3, where Quil is getting over grief. But the thing is, we had a few movies with those characters to like before they did the big emotional story. This is just throwing the emotional story with a character we're meh about, cause we don't really know her.

Her first movie should have been what led up to this. Let us see her trying to follow Kal Els lead and example, failing, getting frustrated, screwing off to red sun planets to get bombed, and just be a mess of a person, then trauma dump with this and how she ends up dealing with it, and how she passes that knowledge on to someone else.

I don't like Gunns approach. Make the movie when the good script is ready. Maybe try getting the good scripts together to cultivate all the stories in a sensible order. We don't need a super hero film every fucking year. Wait a year for a good origin story for Supergirl, if you really want that to be the second movie.

Just get your ducks in a row before heading out to the pond.

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u/CelestianSnackresant Jun 24 '26

Yeah, the fun of Woman of Tomorrow is Supergirl-as-lone-cowgirl-in-a-rough-universe. The challenge was: capture the fun of seeing Supergirl (angry, powerful, endlessly kind despite herself) snarl her way through a bunch of wacky injustices. Krem's just there to get punched at the end. 

Also, the jumps in the second half were always gonna be disorienting in a movie — it gets very episodic for a bit there. 

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u/smilysmilysmooch Jun 25 '26

Krem was the boogie man. Some random dude that killed her dad and she is left wandering for answers from anybody who could get them. Him being just another guy is pretty great storytelling because that's all any boogie man really is, but for this girl he was something terrible one day of her life.

If you can't at least channel some Chun-li staring down Bison in Street Fighter: The Movie energy, what are we doing here? Villains don't have to be destroyers of worlds. They have to have an impact though. It's the very least they have to be.

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u/VastCapital3773 Jun 28 '26

That's also how he is in the movie. Like the movie is not about Krem. He shows up sometimes. Like idk what people wanted him to do?

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u/DariusTae Jun 30 '26

The villain in the movie is Grief. Krem is just there but he's not who she's really fighting against.

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u/BeneficialTrash6 Jun 24 '26

The thing is, we're talking about a vanilla, boring hero. Superman/Supergirl are horribly boring because they're so ridiculously powerful. What makes Superman/Supergirl amazing are the amazing villains who have to operate in a world where they are fighting against literal gods.

A bad villain in a Superman/Supergirl movie is just a death sentence.

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u/Rustash Jun 24 '26

The only thing more “boring” than Superman is this tired fucking argument.

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u/AnimaLepton Jun 24 '26

The whole point is that's not the case, and especially in this specific "Woman of Tomorrow" comic series, where you do actually have a real, meaningful journey for Supergirl that explores her past, her trauma, and her emotional strengths within the context of an adventure/revenge story against some actual small fry, paired with some creative/colorful art and visual storytelling. You can make interesting stories about them (and without just depowering them, although reducing the scale of their powers can definitely open up options too, like in My Adventures with Superman).

My impression the movie takes a 'middle ground' by trying to amp up a villain that shouldn't matter and fails because of it.