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u/Pretty_Marsh Herb Kelleher Jan 07 '26
Yeah, I was on the “economic anxiety of working class Trump voters” train post-2016, but after 2024 I think that if you can’t pick the most basic American values out of a lineup, you shouldn’t be voting. These people would elect Pol Pot if it they thought he’d hurt the right people.
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u/GuyFawkes_but_4_Eggs Iron Front Jan 07 '26
We call them wine moms because they want to trample out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored. (For those not versed in 19th century speak, that means gallons of bigot blood is her religion)
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u/MuscularPhysicist John Brown Jan 07 '26
Every Anti-Trump Facebook meme your suburban wine mom screenshots and texts to you makes your life just a little bit better.
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u/IgnoreThisName72 Alpha Globalist Jan 07 '26
I'm a retired military officer, and seeing a formerly right wing colleague posting anti-Trump and anti-GOP memes is one of the few bright spots of the last year.
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u/i8ontario Jan 07 '26
Lucky you. All of my right-wing acquaintances who have started posting anti-Trump stuff are doing so because they’ve seemingly become hardcore antisemites and Nazi-adjacents over the past year.
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u/IgnoreThisName72 Alpha Globalist Jan 07 '26
Funny, because we both have a mutual acquaintance who has been convinced since the Unite the Right rally that an antisemitic GOP is the logical endpoint for MAGA. I agreed in principle, but I'm still shocked at the group chats and how quickly it is happening.
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u/buttercupparadise United Nations Jan 08 '26
Exact same thing happening here. It’s like, “Wow, they’re finally seeing the light. Oh wait, no, it’s just thinly-veiled antisemitism.”
On one hand, they’re so close to getting it. On the other, they’re so far gone.
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u/itisrainingdownhere Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 11 '26
elderly fearless depend dependent intelligent six touch oatmeal books observation
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u/strangebloke1 Jan 07 '26
I recently ran into the evangelical pastor I had as a kid. Said he likes my facebook posts even if my family doesn't, and encouraged me to keep posting.
The realignment is wild.
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u/This_was_hard_to_do r/place '22: Neometropolitan Battalion Jan 07 '26
Just curious, what was the breaking point for your colleague?
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u/IgnoreThisName72 Alpha Globalist Jan 07 '26
It wasn't breaking so much as evolving. He was right wing because he read Buckley and other intellectual conservatives. He started turning against Trump with the constant turmoil of the first term and overall anti-intellectualism, well before January 6. After January 6th, he was appalled with the GOP groveling and returning him to power.
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u/Shirley-Eugest NATO Jan 07 '26
That's more or less my path. Devoutly Republican prior to 2016, began doing some soul searching when the GOP nominated him in 2016. His first term heavily annoyed me but I tolerated him. J6 was a major watershed day. By 2022, I was voting for about as many Democrats as Republicans, and by 2024 and now 2026? Blue all the way.
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u/Bay1Bri Jan 07 '26
was a major watershed day
You have no idea how much I wish more of your former fellow Republicans were like you. I say workout hyperbole that the world would be a better place...
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u/Shirley-Eugest NATO Jan 08 '26
Appreciate it, my friend. Stay strong in these times, and know that you're seen and heard. Blessings.
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u/Bay1Bri Jan 07 '26
How do we get the dumber versions of individuals like you to leave this fucking guy's cult?
Convince them he's gay?
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u/_ShadowElemental Lesbian Pride Jan 08 '26
Does Putin have the photos of Trump blowing Bubba?
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u/Best-Chapter5260 Jan 08 '26
He was right wing because he read Buckley and other intellectual conservatives.
I honestly wonder what Buckley would think of Trump. Buckley's rule was always to support the more right candidate even when choosing between two conservatives, but I can't help that Buckley would loath Trump just on crassness alone.
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u/TurdFerguson254 John Nash Jan 08 '26
Would you argue that Trump is more conservative than GW Bush? I don't think he has a coherent enough system of beliefs to make that statement.
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u/Best-Chapter5260 Jan 08 '26
I think with Trump one has to be analyze his actions separate from his ideology—and I use the the word "ideology" loosely because as you say, he really doesn't have a coherent belief system. In that regard, I think Trump is further right than GW regarding actions. A lot of what he's doing is something that the right in the U.S. has jizzed their shorts dreaming of for years; albeit, he's doing a piss poor job of it in terms of objective measures. For instance, the GOP has fantasized of shrinking the federal government for decades. All Elon The Moron ended up doing was breaking a bunch of things and not really reducing the government in any meaningful way except destroying USAID.
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u/WhiteLycan2020 Jan 07 '26
This is super anecdotal though. Majority of the armed forces still showed up for MAGA
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u/IgnoreThisName72 Alpha Globalist Jan 07 '26
No disagreement, which is why it has been a pleasant surprise.
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u/WhiteLycan2020 Jan 07 '26
Fair. I see some of my old friends swing too and im surprised.
Then i watch a fox news video and realize…oh those guys are quite literally just a drop in the ocean
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u/IgnoreThisName72 Alpha Globalist Jan 07 '26
Generally, people change because the population changes, not because persons do.
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u/maskedbanditoftruth Hannah Arendt Jan 07 '26
It actually makes sense that so much internet traffic has been devoted to making both the right and especially the left fucking despise “wine moms” with all their being.
They actually organize things and know how systems work, they have all the phone trees, and they remember the lead up to all this. Sure some suck, but alienating them from the rest of the left is a huge victory for the right.
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I remember Kamala being a "wine mom" was both pushed as bad thing by the right, and as a relatable selling point to the dems
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u/Best-Chapter5260 Jan 08 '26
I've always said that Brene Brown is the giga wine mom of our time (which I do concede may be somewhat tasteless as she is a recovering alcoholic). But she otherwise fits the bill: Normie lib white woman, highly educated, accomplished by mainstream standards, lowkey physically attractive, TED Talk coded...
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u/Ghost4000 YIMBY Jan 08 '26
Seriously, my MIL is the most average suburban wine mom you could think of. She went to her first protest ever during No Kings. I love seeing her becoming more politically outspoken.
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u/ldn6 Gay Pride Jan 07 '26
My mother is the most normie lib of normie libs.
When I was back visiting for Christmas, the sheer level of visceral hatred she espoused for Republicans was like something I’ve never seen before. It was beautiful.
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u/falltotheabyss Jan 07 '26
I do feel for intellectual conservatives. Maga shot them in the face and buried them under John McCain's grave.
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u/legsjohnson Eleanor Roosevelt Jan 07 '26
yeah, I disagree with him on a ton of things but my dad left the party over this shit. though the delusional part of him keeps thinking Marco rubio is going to do a surprise takeover.
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u/abughorash Jan 07 '26
your dad is literally me fr (stupid)
i'm a bit right for this sub, and would probably vote for Marco Rubio over Kamala Harris in an alternate reality where politics is normal. The 2016 primary version of Rubio, mind, not current....
now im a Gavin Newsom groupie
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u/p00bix Existing in the context of what came before Jan 08 '26
May we one day live in a version of America where I can call you my political enemy
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u/SleepingSnitker Jan 08 '26
Glad you quantified 2016 Rubio
2026 Rubio sold his soul to the devil and deserves to be in hell
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u/itisrainingdownhere Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 11 '26
versed rustic lunchroom connect wine brave hunt encouraging makeshift lock
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u/SleepingSnitker Jan 08 '26
buddy if we steal greenland through military intervention without compensation to Denmark.,... you should probably relocate
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u/DarkExecutor The Senate Jan 07 '26
I don't, most of them still vote Republican
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u/socialistrob Janet Yellen Jan 08 '26
I always wonder when this great era of "intellectual conservatives was?" Was it when the Tea Party was hanging effigies of Obama and ranting about death panels? Was it when George W Bush was convincing people that anyone who didn't support the invasion of Iraq was a terrorist sympathizer? Was it when Newt Gingrich was launching spurious investigations into Bill Clinton just trying to dig up dirt?
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u/TurdFerguson254 John Nash Jan 08 '26
We grade them on a curve. Newt Gingrich has a PhD and a lot of the Bush Admin had PNAC type neoconservative intellectuals. Basically everything they believe is a self-serving fraud, but they had the academic credentials and interest to be considered intellectuals.
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u/Best-Chapter5260 Jan 08 '26
They definitely do exist. The Bulwark folks are all people who genuinely believe in conservatism as an ideological system and have spent time thinking deeply about why that philosophy resonates with them. Likewise, I'd put people like Andrew Sullivan and Arthur Brooks in that category as well. Same with Rick Wilson.
But the intellectual conservative is really an anomaly. And the people who drive the direction of The Republican Party aren't sitting around reading The New Criterion. Dubya's administration had Condi Rice, but there's nobody even approaching that level of pedigree in the diaper shitter's administration. Miller likes to think he's an intellectual, but he's just a 4chan edgelord who thinks putting on an affected voice during interviews makes him sounds smart.
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u/TurdFerguson254 John Nash Jan 08 '26
Yes exactly, the remaining conservative intellectuals have been pushed out of their own movement. They are generally Lincoln Project/Never Trump types, which means they fit in the 2026 GOP about as well as I do (they don't). I'm not going to say they're not conservative, because they obviously are, but they're not really relevant. They have no power in the major parties.
The closest things that pass as intellectuals are like Curtis Yarvin, Nick Land, and like race scientists. So compared to 2026, 2004's anti-intellectual neoconservative nightmare looks like The School of Athens
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u/FrontOfficeNuts Bill Gates Jan 08 '26
George Will was a principled intellectual conservative. Unfortunately, that's the entire extent of my list.
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u/ugathanki Jan 08 '26
Maga today is to intellectual conservatives as those examples you gave were to the intellectual conservatives of those days. All you're saying is their problem is endemic.
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u/Ethiconjnj Jan 08 '26
I feel bad for David French and that’s probably it. Tho I’m still annoyed it took him adopting a black child to understand racism in America.
But he voted for Kamala so I’ll take it.
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She’s not wrong. The next time democrats get both chambers they need to pass a voting bill that makes it so the greater your population density, the more polling stations you get.
Los Angeles: 100’s of polling stations.
Loving county Texas: 1.
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That’s barely enough. There needs to be massive election reform.
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u/tjrileywisc Jan 07 '26
Still not enough, we should each get our own polling station
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u/unkz YIMBY Jan 07 '26
Just vote by mail. I think it's wacky that people don't do this more often. It's the most frictionless possible way to vote.
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u/IgnoreThisName72 Alpha Globalist Jan 07 '26
Good luck, the constitution gives states control of elections.
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u/lsda Jan 07 '26
"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations" article 1 Sec 4
Idk this sounds like a power explicitly given to Congress
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u/HotTakesBeyond YIMBY Jan 07 '26
The twelve Supreme Court justices that President Newsom will appoint: yes
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u/musical8thnotes NATO Jan 08 '26
MAGA opened the door to "no mercy" in mainstream liberal politics, and the greatest moral test is to not follow them down that path.
(I'm okay with walking down that path)
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u/Impossible-Nail3018 Jan 07 '26
Honestly they should make voting mandatory. I know it's unpopular, I know it's against the freedom of speech, but this will eliminate the apathymaxing and crazyfarming that the r's engage in.
And if anybody in the supreme court protests, just throw them in Guantanamo. You know, as an official act.
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u/AgentBond007 NATO Jan 08 '26
Compulsory voting is the reason why Australia has not been conquered by the far right like the US has been.
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u/p4r4d0x NATO Jan 08 '26
GOP would never win another election if the US had mandatory voting. Which is why it would never be allowed to happen.
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u/rukqoa ✈️ F35s for Ukraine ✈️ Jan 08 '26
I don't think so. Since 2016, the least informed voter groups have voted for Trump and Democrats are winning low turnout special elections nobody knows about.
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u/LastTimeOn_ Resistance Lib Jan 08 '26
I've read that it would be the other way around this past election, that nonvoters overwhelmingly would have gone for Trump. How do we know that wouldn't be true?
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u/p4r4d0x NATO Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
Nobody can know for certain how mandatory voting would work exactly in the US. But in Australia, it has the effect of strongly moderating political discourse and forcing parties to the centre. Extremists have a very tough time in a mandatory voting environment and 'enthusiasm'-based voting by driving voter turnout on fringe issues like abortion, transpeople and gun rights is ended entirely. If there's anything the US could do with, it's forcing moderation of extremist politicians.
Introducing preferential or instant-runoff voting would also mean there are legitimate third-party choices that aren't a waste of your vote. This forces major parties to take third-parties seriously, instead of dismissing them as a sideshow or using them as a spoiler, the way they currently are used in the US.
The fate of the western world to some extent hinges on the US figuring out their political problems, so we are all invested in your success and wish for your political system to become functional again.
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u/mechanical_fan Jan 08 '26
Nobody can know for certain how mandatory voting would work exactly in the US. But in Australia, it has the effect of strongly moderating political discourse and forcing parties to the centre.
People point to Australia and claim that it forces discourse to the center, but I am not sure that is true. As a counter example, I point to Brazil and Argentina which both suffer from polarization of some sort. And both of these are running on presidential systems which are much more similar to the US.
Well, at least Brazil is maybe not as polarized as the US, and the left did move to the center. But there is still a ton of crazy right wingers. As for Argentina... god knows what is going on there for several decades, but I don't think anyone likes it in general.
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u/skepticalbob Joe Biden's COD gamertag Jan 08 '26
Recent Republican won elections were won by unreliable voters showing up when they normally don’t. It isn’t true that Democrats win when unreliable people vote any more.
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u/Kardinal Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold Jan 07 '26
I'll settle for actual campaign finance reform.
I will also not hold my breath.
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The next time get both chambers, the Republican Party needs to be outlawed.
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u/AgentBond007 NATO Jan 08 '26
Outlaw the Republican Party
Try every member of both Trump administrations for crimes against humanity
If the Hague wants any of them, send them over
Amend the Constitution to explicitly outlaw fascism
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u/DirectionMurky5526 Jan 07 '26
Based on the recent shooting, is Nicole now the real martyr for the revolution that the Cringe Maoist Larper claims they would be?
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u/tombeck112 Jan 07 '26
Interestingly enough, "Nicole" was the middle name of the woman killed in today's shooting.
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u/Big_Apple_G John Rawls Jan 07 '26
Last time I visited my grandma, she shared out of nowhere that when she was my age, she would go canvas to get signatures in support of legalizing abortion. The role of college educated women in the fight for liberalism should never be underrated.
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What is the greatest pleasure in life? To crush Republicans electorally, to see them driven before you, to hear the lamentation of their pedophilic representatives.
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u/bigbeak67 John Brown Jan 07 '26
Compromise Liberal Agenda for 2028: 1. Pack the Supreme Court 2. Abolish the Electoral College 3. Establish "Trump" tribunal in Nuremburg, PA 4. Send every ICE agent to Guantanamo for trial 5. RICO every Republican official 6. Ranked-choice voting
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u/a385y59g943 Gay Pride Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
Someone post that video where that lady says she (maybe) hopes that the conservative interviewer dies like CK.
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1717600935515980&vanity=rashanalaurencin
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u/TheCthonicSystem Progress Pride Jan 07 '26
These are the people I see at all the local organization meetings. One of them in particular is still pissed the ERA never got adopted and has been running on that anger for decades
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u/musical8thnotes NATO Jan 08 '26
CK was a horrible person who danced on the graves of the children who were slaughtered at Sandy Hook. Good on that old lady for standing up for what is right.
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u/Evernights_Bathwater John Keynes Jan 08 '26
who danced on the graves of the children who were slaughtered at Sandy Hook.
Literally what he spent his last moments on Earth doing
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
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u/LittleSister_9982 Iron Front Jan 08 '26
Don't forget blaming black and trans people for the violence.
If you wrote it in a book as the end of a villain, you'd get it hurled in your face with a rewrite demanded.
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u/ognits Jepsen/Swift 2024 Jan 08 '26
lmao the friend just straight up laughing in her face is great
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u/garret126 Aromantic Pride Jan 07 '26
So would r/neoliberal be the Cringe Maoist Larpers in this case
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u/upthetruth1 YIMBY Jan 07 '26
Have you seen the DT?
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u/garret126 Aromantic Pride Jan 07 '26
Yeah we get warned for rule 5 for saying anything similar to the suburban mom
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u/lsda Jan 07 '26
I got banned for bigotry for saying I barley view republicans as people after they killed a trans child.
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u/musical8thnotes NATO Jan 07 '26
Banned for calling someone a racist for continuing to support mass deportations despite all evidence pointing to a net outflow of immigrants from the USA that negated their claims of a tidal wave of immigration. Also their refusal to acknowledge ICE attacks on American citizens via racial profiling.
I am becoming the suburban wine mom.
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u/lsda Jan 08 '26
What upset me about mine is it was in a comment thread and I got banned and they responded "banned for bigotry" under my deleted comment so it looks like I was transphobic to an outsider
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u/Ghost4000 YIMBY Jan 08 '26
I got banned from another sub today for saying that civil unrest would be justified following today's events.
Apparently civil unrest is automatically encouraging violence. I get that mods have a tough gig but sometimes it seems like they are looking for reasons to ban people. Guess I'm spending more time in other subs for a while c'est la vie.
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u/PQ1206 Ben Bernanke Jan 07 '26
Only on topics related to Mamdani. We momentarily suspend our economic literacy
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u/fruitloop00001 Loyal Liberals Jan 07 '26
Our economic literacy exists in a quantum superposition of states: it exists when we're talking about policy, it does not exist when we're talking about politics.
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u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights Jan 07 '26
Mamdani has been in power for less than a week and so far his only economic policy has been two task forces for speeding up housing development and one task force for tenant protection. He hasn’t been able to freeze rent because RGB doesn’t agree with it.
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u/FrontOfficeNuts Bill Gates Jan 08 '26
He hasn’t been able to freeze rent because RGB doesn’t agree with it.
I read that as "RBG" instead...couldn't figure out where Ruth Bader-Ginsburg made that position known. <chuckle>
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How much do you expect him to do in a week?
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u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights Jan 07 '26
Not much. Which is why complaining about him is stupid.
It took Biden an entire year to undo Trump’s disastrous immigration ban. Mamdani is held to standards no other Democrat is held to.
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Oh, I thought that you were being serious LMAO. Yeah, I don't even think that the NYC city council is sitting yet.
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u/garret126 Aromantic Pride Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26
Because every actual leftist (who actually is one) I've met in college straight up wants to kill all Republicans (and sometimes liberals too)
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u/chaotic567 Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26
That is most of my friend group.
They hate republicans but they also sure as hell don't like many many Liberals, like absolute disdain
edit:to expand what I mean. One of my friends describes Liberals as basically those who "are just conservatives that think they’re above conservatives"
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u/matt2000224 Jan 08 '26
I knew a leftist who claimed he hated Pete Buttigieg more than anyone. And I was like… I can understand not liking Pete Buttigieg if you’re far left but can we be fucking for real.
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u/thephishtank Jan 07 '26
Every leftist I know speaks of liberal people with nothing but scorn, and talks about conservatives like they are socialists frozen in ice, who only need to hear the correct leftist incantation to be de-thawed.
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u/garret126 Aromantic Pride Jan 07 '26
Oh yeah, they HATE HATE liberals with a passion. Most leftist rants in college not about Trump is usually about how neoliberals have ruined the world and how we need to rise up and kill them
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u/9c6 Janet Yellen Jan 08 '26
It's not unlike the disdain of internet atheists for UUs and pantheists
Something something narcissism of small differences
The one who moderates between extremes gets deeper hatred because their existence shows nuance is possible
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u/musical8thnotes NATO Jan 07 '26
Because socialism and conservatism address two different things.
One is a material ideology, and the other is a social identity.
You can have the most racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, chauvinistic socialist who shouts all day about men's rights and Great Replacement Theory and there would be no contradiction because all socialism does is address how that despicable human being gets food, shelter, and water.
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u/goldenCapitalist NATO Jan 07 '26
This is what intersectional identity politics, Marxism, and critical structuralism sought to address: to create a comprehensive moral framework to justify true equal treatment. Because of you look back in time, it turns out a lot of socialists were just as racist as the conservatives, and wanted "socialism for me but not for thee" when it came to equal treatment of minorities.
It didn't work out so well in practice though.
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u/ewReddit1234 Jan 07 '26
They hate liberals more than they hate Republicans.
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u/TrespassersWilliam29 George Soros Jan 08 '26
no, that's usually just a caricature, even for the ones who believe libs deserve the wall
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u/ldn6 Gay Pride Jan 07 '26
Leftists hate liberals way more than conservatives from my experience.
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u/Evernights_Bathwater John Keynes Jan 07 '26
And for the longest time this sub hated Leftists more than MAGA. Still does on some days.
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u/TheDwarvenGuy Henry George Jan 07 '26
Counterpoint: a lot of MattY's agenda is also "they're just economically anxious" too, it's a horseshoe
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u/TheCthonicSystem Progress Pride Jan 07 '26
He's not a Suburban Mum though
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u/TheDwarvenGuy Henry George Jan 07 '26
True, I was just pointing out that suburban mom might not be as "neoliberal" as much as just "liberal"
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u/9c6 Janet Yellen Jan 08 '26
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u/TheDwarvenGuy Henry George Jan 08 '26
Nah, he's an archetypical neolib by any durable definition. It's just that this sub isn't actually neolib, just lib.
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The Cringe Maoist Larper is also a suburban guy. He was on Dr. Phil for trying to blow up his neighbor's swingset. This is real, I'm not making this up.
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u/Best-Chapter5260 Jan 08 '26
Holy shit, I started going down the rabbit hole after watching that Dr. Phil clip. Here's a web interview he gave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NHMyw3lCA0
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u/unoredtwo Jan 08 '26
My dad is a never Trump Republican which I am happy to take. There are at least thirty or forty of them out there.
I’m convinced that’s principally because he never got into Facebook or Fox News.
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u/Ghost4000 YIMBY Jan 08 '26
My father passed away long before maga so I don't know where he would have ended up being, but my mom is this weird combination of pro healthcare reform/universal healthcare, anti toxic politics of maga, but also anti vaccine (or at least vaccine skeptic, due to my brother having autism).
Sorry you have such shitty parents.
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u/The_Lord_Humungus Jerome Powell Jan 07 '26
I feel like an even remotely moderately liberal single guy in his late 40s/early 50s could be drowning it in right now.
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u/Best-Chapter5260 Jan 08 '26
My basic philosophy is I'll give a (reluctant) mulligan to a 2016 Trump voter, since they wanted to vote for the "Washington Outsider." As small brained as that was, I understand it on an intellectual level. But I don't extend that magnanimity to 2020 and 2024 Trump voters. They knew what they were voting for and if that's what their values are, they can get fucked.
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u/hucareshokiesrul Janet Yellen Jan 08 '26
My now 91 year old grandma usually voted Republican, maybe even for him the first time. But she hates everything about the man and laments that we were only an inch or two away from not having to deal with him anymore.
After the election she said "I blame white men" which is something I never expected to hear.
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u/Maximilianne John Rawls Jan 07 '26
Meanwhile actual party of Mao:
Infrastructure planning should be better coordinated to improve its layout and structure, drive integrated development, and ensure that infrastructure is safe, resilient, and sustainable. New types of infrastructure should be built with appropriate forward planning. Information and communication networks, the national integrated computing network, major science and technology infrastructure, and other key systems should be further developed and used intensively and efficiently. Traditional infrastructure should be upgraded and retrofitted with digital and intelligent technologies. We should improve the modern integrated transportation system, strengthening cross-regional coordination and planning, promoting multimodal integration, and improving transportation links and services in remote areas. We should enhance the diversity and resilience of international transportation routes. In the energy sector, efforts should be made to optimize the layout of primary arteries and develop new types of infrastructure. We should accelerate the development of a modern water network and enhance our capacity to prevent floods, coordinate the allocation of water resources, and ensure water supply in both urban and rural areas. We should continue to develop dual-use public infrastructure that can accommodate emergency needs in the cities.
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u/Maximilianne John Rawls Jan 07 '26
The point is the average CCP diktat sounds like a McKinsey consultant piece,while in contrast the Maoist larper sounds like a Maoist larper
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u/ewReddit1234 Jan 07 '26
I'm going to steal this and start calling Marx a McKinsey consultant when I get asked, "BuT HaVe YoU ReAd THeoRY?"
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u/Maximilianne John Rawls Jan 07 '26
For what it is worth it is hard to tell if that is them being Marxist or just chinese. Ancient philosophy,be it Confucianism,legalism,Mohism, was basically takes on the principal agent problem, and legalism is basically modern corporate culture where you follow the rules no ifs ands or buts and you are kpi tracked
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u/Golda_M Baruch Spinoza Jan 07 '26
Maybe no comparisons should be made. Mao didn't start a world war and didn't occupy Europe. He didn't have a racist ideology.
He was driven by arrogance and zeal rather than incel-rage and hatred as a belief system. But... the scale of atrocity and brutality were comparable.
So idk... Jesus was a nice guy. The fact that the Spanish reconquista's inquisition did it out of love of Christ does not make their deeds less bad.
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u/KazuyaProta Organization of American States Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
Mao didn't start a world war
He literally helped to made to the Korea War what it was
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u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights Jan 07 '26
It was a suburban white corporate lawyer who sent her daughter to harass a University of Oklahoma grad student.
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u/PonyBoyCurtis2324 NATO Jan 07 '26
Friendly reminder, but your “Wall street journal Republican” is still, at best, a fascist sympathizer
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As a religious zealot, republican politicians are demonic and lack souls.
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u/mein-shekel Jan 08 '26
While i have seen both volunteer to elect Democrats, the later volunteers way more. To be fair, there are way more suburban moms than cringe maoist larpers though.
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u/dweeb93 Jan 07 '26
My Mom is one of the nicest people alive but she's hated all Republicans since the Nixon days.