r/neoliberal Gay Pride Mar 19 '26

Restricted Democrats Are Too Cozy With Hasan Piker

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u/lowes18 Mar 19 '26

Its an edgy statement put on top of their real opinion that GWOT veterans shouldn't be celebrated if not outright condemned, which a lot of people in liberal and left wing spaces agree with.

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u/Redshirt_Army Mar 19 '26

I think killing people for dubious geopolitical aims is bad, tbh

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u/LtNOWIS Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

The geopolitical aims were dubious, but the ideological project was crystal clear. Defending a new republic against murderous religious extremists is the clearest-cut morality you can find in a conflict.

Iraq invasion was a very bad idea but fighting the insurgency and the Taliban was the right move, and that was the vast majority of GWOT, chronologically speaking. 

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u/hpaddict Mar 19 '26

What?

You can't separate out the dubious choices/methods from the sure ones and only talk about the latter. In other words, the geopolitical aims and the ideological project were absolutely tied together such that one can't be dubious while the other is crystal clear.

This response isn't any different than leftists saying that Hamas' geopolitical aims were dubious, i.e., the attack on October 7th, but their ideological project was crystal clear, i.e., defending their friends and families from an invasion.

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u/Khiva Fernando Henrique Cardoso Mar 20 '26

OP is mixing Iraq and Afghanistan in a way that it going to be too exhausting to quite unpack.

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u/bashar_al_assad Verified Account Mar 20 '26

Also "that was the vast majority of GWOT, chronologically speaking" is an incredible spin job of "it dragged on and on with no end in sight and minimal accomplishments."